On Saturday, I headed out to Player’s
Casino in Ventura to play my first Southern California session of the New Year.
It started out as a loose game. Lots of action, and on the wild side. I only recognized one person at my table, an
older gentleman who’d I’d played with a few times before. He was moderately aggro as always, and
whenever he’d raise preflop, it was always to $16, whether there was a limper
or two or not (the game was my usual 2/3 NL, with a $100-$300 buy-in). I remembered finding out one time that his
son, who used to play in this room quite a bit, is a touring pro with some big
cashes on his resume.
Didn’t recognize anyone else, but at
least three or four of them knew each other very well. They were talking and teasing and razzing
each other a lot. I almost felt like I was intruding on a private poker
game. However, they weren’t all like that;
there were a few of us at the table who weren’t part of this clique.
I had seen absolutely nothing like the
hand I’m about to describe until it happened, and I never saw anything like it
again. It was a one-off. There was a guy who was definitely part of
the clique sitting on about $350. The
other character in this hand was sitting on at least $550, maybe $600. He had busted out soon after I got there but
had hit a big hand or two with his second buy-in. Although he seemed to know the other guys in
the group, he was the least social with them of anyone at the table that I thought
might be part of the group. And if he
had any contact or conversation with the other player I described, I hadn’t
noticed it.
I don’t think this was a three-bet
pot, but it might have been. The guy
with the shorter stack was the raiser or the re-raiser, and the bigger stack
called. It was not a big raise, though I
can’t remember the size. I’m guessing
the pot before the flop was between $30 and $50, give or take.
I happened to look over to the smaller
stack as the dealer was about to put out the flop. He was in seat 3, the other guy was in seat
8, so they were across from each other, about as far apart as you can be. Anyway, I saw the preflop aggressor mouthing
something to the other guy. There was no
sound, and I’m not a great lip reader, but I was sure he mouthed the words,
“I’m going all in.” Interesting. With the size of the pot, his $350 shove
would have been some huge overbet.
Well the flop came out 10-10-x (very
low card). And sure enough, the shorter
stack, first to act, said “all-in.”
The other guy didn’t react right
away. It appeared like he was actually
thinking about calling. Again, he had
the bettor covered, he’d still have $200+ left if he called and lost. So, the next thing I see, the guy who went
all-in is holding up, in front of his face, his two cards, totally exposed,
showing the guy his hand—two Aces.
The other guy paused for a second and
then said, “How’d you feel if I showed you a 10 right now?” And then he flipped over his hand, showed his
pocket 7’s, and pushed them to the dealer, without calling, of course.
I didn’t get it and still don’t. I
thought the purpose of playing poker was to win money, not to avoid winning
money. Yes, yes, I know I’ve already
explained it—the guy was soft playing (in a weird way) his buddy. But I swear, nothing else I saw during the
session was like this at all. As I said,
the guy with the 7’s wasn’t all that chummy with the “clique.” And the other guys who all knew each
other—they seemed to be playing at each other pretty hard. Every other hand I can think of where one of
these guys was involved with another one, they really seemed trying hard to
take their buddies’ money. This was the
one exception and it was a hand where, if the guy just played it normal, the
other guy didn’t figure to lose much. And
of course, the guy could have a 10 (or a pocket pair same as the low card) and the
guy shoving could have lost everything.
I mean, if he was that committed to soft-playing the other guy, just
shove preflop and not risk a dangerous flop.
I was on extra-alert after this hand
to see if anything else like this happened, and it did not. It was just the one
hand. I suppose maybe the guy with Aces
had a thing about them. Maybe he’d lost
a bunch with them lately. But
also….there was really no point in telling the guy he was going to go all-in
before the flop hit. I guess there’s a
possibility he said that before the guy decided to call, but I don’t think
so. I mean, if he wanted the guy to not
even call his raise, he could have shown his hand before he called or said he
had Aces.
Now I’m sure the dealer must have seen
the player show his Aces and he said nothing.
But that is a house rule that varies from room-to-room. Some rooms allow one player to expose his
hand in a cash game if it’s heads-up.
Others don’t. Last time it came
up while I was playing at MGM, it was still not allowed there.
Very strange, and I didn’t like it.
As for my session, it started slowly
for me. I was going to try to force
myself to be a little more aggressive, but the session started so wild I
realized my best bet was to just wait for a medium or better strength hand and
go for value.
Calling some raises and missing cost
me $100 over time. For example, I called a $6 straddle with pocket 3’s, all but
one player called and then the straddler put his last $25 in. All the callers called so I did as well. I missed and folded on the flop, but there
was a side pot. It turned out the
straddler had pocket Kings and they held up even though there was an Ace on the
river. So he got an octuple-up. How could the dreaded hand hold up in an
eight-way pot???
I finally won a pot when I had
Ace-King, raised to $12 and had two callers.
The flop was Ace-Ace-4 and I bet $15 and took it.
In the small blind with 8-6 off, I
completed but the big blind made it $13.
Since two others called, I took a chance and called as well. No one bet a Queen-8-4 flop. On a blank turn, the preflop raiser checked
again, another guy bet, and I called, and the big blind called. No action on the river. Turns out my pair of 8’s was good.
There was no raise when I had
King-Jack of spades in the big blind. It
was four-way. I flopped the flush draw and no one bet. The turn was a blank and someone bet
$20. There was a call, and I
called. I hit the flush on the river,
led out for $25 and didn’t get a call.
Then came the most interesting hand
involving me. I had pocket Queens in
late position and there was a straddle ($6, UTG). A whole bunch of people called the
straddle. So I made it $40. Fold, fold, fold….until one guy called. It was the guy who had flashed his Aces to
the other guy earlier. I saw two Aces on
the flop….and then I noticed the Queen in the middle. He checked.
I didn’t know whether to slow play the
boat. I guess usually I do. But I started counting out chips. I figured if he had an Ace, he’s never
folding. And what do you call a $40
preflop raise with? Ace-King, Kings,
Jacks….not much else. Pocket Aces if you
want to get cute. I dismissed that. I figured he’s calling with Ace-King (or
raising) and he might stick around with Kings because two Aces on the board
makes it less likely I have an Ace. So I
did bet. Only $60 into a pot that was
around $100.
He thought for awhile and then said, “Do
you have a big Ace? It could be a
jackpot hand.” And then he mucked. It was clear he thought I had killed our chances
for the bad beat jackpot and was pissed.
I didn’t say anything, just took in
the pot. But I wondered if I had blown
it—cost us a shot at winning the bad beat jackpot?
You see, I don’t often play in a room
with a bad beat jackpot so I never think of playing for it. Well, technically, that’s not quite
true. The Bike has always had the BBJ,
and for that matter, so has this room. I
just don’t think about it, because it’s so unlikely. When I first started playing here, the BBJ
was house funded and pretty small (a few thousand I think). Now they take a jackpot drop for it and I
noticed it was up to $35K.
I felt dumb….but then I tried to
remember what qualified for the BBJ, and I didn’t think my hand qualified. I was pretty sure it had to be Aces full of
something for the losing hand. I didn’t
think Queens full of Aces were good enough. I didn’t ask at the table, I didn’t
want to reveal my hand. Also, I was
starting to feel silly for betting just for strategic reasons, not even
considering the BBJ.
But when I was done with my session, I
went over the shift boss and asked. I
was right, the minimum losing hand is Aces full of Jacks. And the winning hand has to be quads or
better. So there was never a jackpot on
the line in that hand. And so I wondered
what the guy was talking about. If he
thought I had an Ace—let’s say Ace-King—I’d have to pair the King and he’d have
to get quads somehow. Not possible. If I
had Ace-Queen, and he had a pocket pair, it’d have to go runner-runner that
pair to hit the jackpot. That is
ridiculously unlikely. If he had
Ace-King, there’s no jackpot possible (if I had an Ace as well) and of course,
he’s not folding Ace-King there. So he
didn’t have Ace-King. He must have had
Kings, or maybe Jacks. Even then, he has
to put me on Ace-Queen for it to work.
So what the hell is talking about?
OTOH, as it played out, if he checked
behind, there are two Kings (if he had Kings) and two Aces that beat me—with no
chance of it turning into a jackpot hand; my hand will never be good enough. That’s not why I bet, but checking there was
a small risk. And even if I remembered
the jackpot, I had no chance for it. But
I’m still not getting his logic. I mean,
he asked if I had a big Ace, not Ace-Queen.
If you can figure out what he meant, please let me know. You can also let me know how bad you think my
bet is anyway (if it is).
(Edited to add: see Dave's comment below, it's the first one, he explains how we could have hit the jackpot if I had an Ace in my hand)
NOTE:
As I was about to post this, I thought of way to get to the
jackpot. If I catch the case Queen,
giving me quads, and he had an Ace, his Aces full would lose to my quads. But, his hand wouldn’t qualify, as both cards
have to play. Now, if he had Ace-King
and the last two cards were exactly a King and Queen, it would work. Only that way though. And he was asking me about my big Ace, not
his. He didn’t have an Ace or he would
have called. He’s not putting me only on
Queens or Ace-Queen there, not the way he played.
That was the last hand of note. I left up $30, after being down over $100. Considering the cards I was getting, it wasn’t
a bad result.