tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post206021440160303905..comments2024-01-31T14:12:23.950-08:00Comments on Rob's Vegas and Poker Blog: Aces vs Kings.....vs Queens???Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-74921929325806867292013-05-13T22:13:34.660-07:002013-05-13T22:13:34.660-07:00Thanks for the comment and the well wishes. Good ...Thanks for the comment and the well wishes. Good luck to you too.<br /><br />I've been thinking of cutting back on my tourns in favor of cash, but last month I did cash in tourns back to back (min cashes tho). One of these days I'll have time to blog about them.<br /><br />Getting it in good and actually winning are two different things, as you found out....Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-28736721680365645242013-05-13T21:20:05.198-07:002013-05-13T21:20:05.198-07:00Hi Rob You seem like a regular guy and poker play...Hi Rob You seem like a regular guy and poker player. I keep hearing about " Getting it in good and that is all you can expect " I have been doing this a lot. I still lose a lot. I have cashed 5th and 2nd in my last poker tournaments and got it in bad but won anyway. Cash not so much. I think I will play more poker tournaments and cash more often and give up playing cash games. Good luck getting it in good.edh530https://www.blogger.com/profile/17350460500843652702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-12950708603730343332013-05-13T09:25:42.591-07:002013-05-13T09:25:42.591-07:00PM, norm is no troll. He's a good guy (he lik...PM, norm is no troll. He's a good guy (he likes my blog, so he MUST be) and has commented here before.<br /><br />Besides, I don't mind the grammar/spelling corrections. Early in the blog's history, somebody pointed out that I had a bad habit of calling cards "Ace's" and "King's" instead of just "Aces" and "kings" and I was happy to be corrected.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-68640900817447207262013-05-13T09:23:13.546-07:002013-05-13T09:23:13.546-07:00Thanks, norm, glad to hear that.
Regarding the sp...Thanks, norm, glad to hear that.<br /><br />Regarding the spelling "celphone"....well it seems to be an acceptable alternative spelling, and I kind of like it, especially since it's one less letter I have to type.<br /><br />I think I'm going to start a worldwide campaign to make "celphone" the accepted spelling.<br />Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-68543155057326551082013-05-13T09:12:20.063-07:002013-05-13T09:12:20.063-07:00Now it looks like you have a grammar / spelling tr...Now it looks like you have a grammar / spelling troll as well (though he did say he likes the blog, so I'll bet it's in jest...).The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-10707729296216186102013-05-13T09:10:31.031-07:002013-05-13T09:10:31.031-07:00Oh yeah, I forgot that online players use that tra...Oh yeah, I forgot that online players use that tracking software for their opponents, so it really is easier to put people on hands.<br /><br />Thanks.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-34269122547770611322013-05-13T09:10:17.652-07:002013-05-13T09:10:17.652-07:00Hmmm....do we now spell it "CELPHONE"?
...Hmmm....do we now spell it "CELPHONE"?<br /><br /> Instead of Cellphone?<br />BTW---- enjoy the blog.normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09794603165354675721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-17477425905432129132013-05-13T09:02:30.755-07:002013-05-13T09:02:30.755-07:00Not saying it's "easy" but it's ...Not saying it's "easy" but it's more standard. You can see the numbers and stats, which directly support your moves. Against a random donk with not much hand history, it's a real tough fold. Against a player with 1k+ hands and a 1-2% 3bet / micro 4bet %age, it's pretty easy to define a range for that guy to be precisely AA.<br /><br />Ultimately, you get enough hands in to realize (sometimes - not all the time) when KK runs into AA. Couple that statement with the fact that AA > KK happens much more frequently because of the volume of hands played online.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-34073657953674597282013-05-13T08:59:34.415-07:002013-05-13T08:59:34.415-07:00It's a dangerous thing to flat KK PF, for the ...It's a dangerous thing to flat KK PF, for the exact reasons you described, Rob. If the Ace does hit, you lose out on all sorts of value, when & if the A does hit the flop. I agree with you that you get your money all in PF, when you know you're an 80/20 to the big stack.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-2198400741695974692013-05-13T08:58:07.782-07:002013-05-13T08:58:07.782-07:00Interesting about it being easier to fold online. ...Interesting about it being easier to fold online. I never played online that much even back in the day. I used online to learn the game and then found that I really liked the social aspect of playing live.<br /><br />When I did play, it was almost always low LIMIT, not NL, although I did play a lot of sit-n-go's. <br /><br />So tell me why it's easier to fold Kings online?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-52632222602969963622013-05-13T08:55:52.275-07:002013-05-13T08:55:52.275-07:00Well, if he see's an Ace on the flop he can fo...Well, if he see's an Ace on the flop he can fold easily. Harder to fold preflop, I think.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-58827021078331182692013-05-12T23:40:28.730-07:002013-05-12T23:40:28.730-07:00I would have called the $116 pre and looked to get...I would have called the $116 pre and looked to get my money in on the flop.<br />It should be pretty obvious that the guy has KK (or the other AA) there and if he has something he is playing tricky by putting in that other raise after the action he just saw then whatever- it happens.<br /><br />but, I'm not exactly a good playergrrouchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619493798073601300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-54954128527863803132013-05-12T21:17:46.711-07:002013-05-12T21:17:46.711-07:00No; not necessarily saying that. TBH, in that kin...No; not necessarily saying that. TBH, in that kind of situation, I have to believe that one of the two of you have AA based on the action. Moreover, knowing you and your tendencies from what you've posted, you have a very tight 3bet range and an even tighter 5bet/6bet range. Add to that the fact that you're 200BB deep (2x buyins in my book; $300 = 1.5 buyins, but yes, you're correct about the $300 = technically a buyin), and KK suddenly looks a lot weaker than when villain started the hand. I'm not going on to claim that I can fold KK in this situation, but it's certainly a consideration. I'm also going to state that this is pretty much a snap fold online; much easier to fold KK online than live.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-37985787636253668532013-05-12T21:15:32.622-07:002013-05-12T21:15:32.622-07:00Thanks, MOJO, appreciate it.
Of course, you'...Thanks, MOJO, appreciate it. <br /><br />Of course, you're much more of a tournament player than a cash player, right?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-28237689299911949092013-05-12T21:14:18.066-07:002013-05-12T21:14:18.066-07:00Thanks Grange. I was happy at the time but you kn...Thanks Grange. I was happy at the time but you know, I guess I'm still a bit too results oriented. <br /><br />There's a reg I was playing with last week I know, he got it real good against a guy who had no business calling him but did and sucked out on him. He had to rebuy and I said something like, wow, tough hand.<br /><br />He said, "I got it in good, so I'm fine with it."<br /><br />That's the right attitude, obviously.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-5076074631160611242013-05-12T21:10:03.733-07:002013-05-12T21:10:03.733-07:00Thanks, PM.
Are you saying that in this situation...Thanks, PM.<br /><br />Are you saying that in this situation, you would have been "good enough to fold pocket Kings there against me?<br /><br />BTW, the stack he lost could have been only one buy in. Max buy in there is $300. I usually buy in for $200 tho.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-55559951430211431732013-05-12T20:30:34.061-07:002013-05-12T20:30:34.061-07:00I would three-bet to $40ish, but what you did was ...I would three-bet to $40ish, but what you did was okay. There's nothing right or wrong here. Of course you move all in, just like you did, the second time it came to you. My two cents.Memphis MOJOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653631347560307425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-22066998753107642162013-05-12T20:08:43.667-07:002013-05-12T20:08:43.667-07:00I like the 3-bet to $50. You want to thin out hand...I like the 3-bet to $50. You want to thin out hands that play well against Aces (relatively speaking), like suited connectors. But you don't want to scare off all action with an overly large raise. <br /><br />As for lucky/unlucky, who cares? You got Aces. You got it all in preflop, You got your money in dominating the two other hands. All you can do is get your money in good. If you can't take this situation and be ecstatic, you shouldn't play NL.Grange95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01857460215043659894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-62715598556299842162013-05-12T19:27:19.922-07:002013-05-12T19:27:19.922-07:00Lucky that you could get your Aces in as a HUGE fa...Lucky that you could get your Aces in as a HUGE favorite to not one but two people.<br /><br />Lucky that a guy with KK is willing to stack off over 2x buyins in a pretty obvious spot where you hold AA.<br /><br />Otherwise, unlucky that the field beat you in a 60/40 race.<br /><br />Lucky that the field who beat you held QQ and was short stacked, instead of the KK big stack, enabling you to earn some $$$ on the pot.The Poker Meisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18289059101454598371noreply@blogger.com