tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post3447465415363728244..comments2024-01-31T14:12:23.950-08:00Comments on Rob's Vegas and Poker Blog: Just a Little Shovin', Early in the Tourney.....Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-64490583649823166232012-04-25T16:26:16.924-07:002012-04-25T16:26:16.924-07:00Those were some great tits, Vook, thanks for the l...Those were some great tits, Vook, thanks for the link, but they would be tough to motor-boat.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-10947651127427877632012-04-25T16:25:19.348-07:002012-04-25T16:25:19.348-07:00Can't comment, Coach, I don't know her at ...Can't comment, Coach, I don't know her at all. See comment above about not following the pros that closely.<br /><br />Hmmm....by "pros" I mean professional poker players. I recently got in trouble for following another kind of "pro" MUCH too closely.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-60274199189620693052012-04-25T16:18:37.893-07:002012-04-25T16:18:37.893-07:00Josie, that was an awesome comment, I burst out la...Josie, that was an awesome comment, I burst out laughing when I saw the email with it, right at the poker table. Awesome, just awesome. So you don't buy my hooker stories, huh? <br /><br />grrouchie, TMI, TMI.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-71451776112421710542012-04-25T16:16:22.919-07:002012-04-25T16:16:22.919-07:00Hmm, interesting thought, but it sure didn't l...Hmm, interesting thought, but it sure didn't look like the pics of Tony I've seen. And tho this guy WAS eating at the table (he brought a cooler filled with water and snacks), he wasn't eating any mashed potatoes.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-30631301345724873702012-04-25T16:15:19.970-07:002012-04-25T16:15:19.970-07:00Good thoughts, as always. I have to say tho, that...Good thoughts, as always. I have to say tho, that one time a dealer buddy of mine (yes, he works a BSC) told me something like the opposite of this. He said that good players don't even like to get involved in pots very early in the tournament when the blinds are low. And he mentioned a famous pro--sorry I can't remember which one--who is famous for always showing up to his seat at the WSOP several levels late, making a grand entrance. Does this identify him to you or someone else? I know I do what is technically a poker blog, but I don't follow the pros that closely.<br /><br />Anyway, I see both arguments having validity. It sure is nice to get a big pot early, yes. But how much are you willing to risk? And as you said, I think this guy wasn't playing smart even if the overall idea is a great one.<br /><br />Now for me...when I first started playing tournaments, I never thought I had a chance to cash, so I was playing to learn and practice. As such, I was looking to gain value for my entry fee, not in terms of a cash prize but in terms of time spent. If I spent 5 hours in a tournament and didn't cash, but had some fun and had a good learning experience, that may have been better for me than investing a similar amount in a cash game.<br /><br />But now that I've had a few cash outs in tournaments, I'm looking at it differently. I would have been pissed if I'd busted out of that Orleans tourn 5 minutes in, but if I had the right hand (not AK, before seeing the flop), I would have shoved if I thought it was the right move....witness my post about busting out early with a set of 9's.<br /><br />Still...in this case, I was happier playing 5+ hours and having the fun I had and not cashing than I would have been to bust out a few hands in.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-7209053443776803872012-04-25T16:05:31.084-07:002012-04-25T16:05:31.084-07:00If he's THAT bad a player, he should just fold...If he's THAT bad a player, he should just fold it. Better yet, pick a game other than poker.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-67589578173259867352012-04-25T09:44:04.775-07:002012-04-25T09:44:04.775-07:00Thanks to all who commented, I will have some more...Thanks to all who commented, I will have some more to say to some of the specific comments later. Right now I am in a rush to meet one of my loyal blog readers who I didn't even know existed until a day or two ago. Going to play in a tournament with him in some god-foresaken locals place in the middle of nowhere (not really). Back later.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-69253977256455658672012-04-25T05:48:03.876-07:002012-04-25T05:48:03.876-07:00terrible play. You summed it up well. I have not...terrible play. You summed it up well. I have nothing to offer other than this article about great tits -> http://richarddawkins.net/articles/645726-great-tits-join-mobs-with-neighbours-they-knowVookenmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00432677281560642767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-86084987506863431842012-04-24T16:36:38.576-07:002012-04-24T16:36:38.576-07:00Baby - I've got more buy-ins where this came f...Baby - I've got more buy-ins where this came from - tell me what room number and I'll be there dressed in a rubber ducky suitgrrouchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619493798073601300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-91575833629335120672012-04-24T16:29:22.849-07:002012-04-24T16:29:22.849-07:00Hey Coach - I get from her the same kind of vibe t...Hey Coach - I get from her the same kind of vibe that I get off of a lot of younger people who have had some success early in life without necessarily having a lot of bumps along the way. A certain sense of superiority is probably the best way to describe it. Certainly not something that is confined to Vanessa. Regardless of that, the girl knows how to play some poker.Missingflopshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05305775958095793633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-59394905418003426112012-04-24T14:41:17.585-07:002012-04-24T14:41:17.585-07:00There were hookers nearby. He was attempting to bu...There were hookers nearby. He was attempting to bust out so he could follow them before they got too far ahead. You know, for his friend.Josiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00226640652091292377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-15863947243267074022012-04-24T14:26:01.683-07:002012-04-24T14:26:01.683-07:00I just read the comments - does Vanessa Selbst bot...I just read the comments - does Vanessa Selbst bother anyone else?...~Coachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00063024399528751971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-48313067827174528112012-04-24T13:14:05.807-07:002012-04-24T13:14:05.807-07:00Hey -- that was Tony, silly.Hey -- that was Tony, silly.lightning36https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641629003610446976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-35898143447162410962012-04-24T12:47:05.600-07:002012-04-24T12:47:05.600-07:00Without getting into the idea of how to play AK ea...Without getting into the idea of how to play AK early in a tournament, I think I can address the more general concept of doubling up or going home early.<br /><br />Let's say this guy does this on the opening hand of the tournament gets a call and loses. He's invested $125 in cash and received $0 in return.<br /><br />Now let's compare him to the player that bubbles. In your post about the tournament you said you went out after midnight around 70th and the bubble was at 35. Let's say it takes until 3:00 am to pop the bubble. The player who is the true bubble (i.e. the last person to receive $0) has invested the same $125 as Mr. AK and received the same $0 return. However, the bubble boy has invested something Mr. AK has not, and that is 8 hours of time. From a strictly monetary standpoint, you can certainly argue that AK is better off than bubble boy.<br /><br />I've heard interviews with a lot of very good tournament players (Vanessa Selbst and Jason Mercier leap to mind) that talk about how a key part of their strategy is to accumulate chips early. I've heard both of them say that they will pretty much either bust in the first level or they will make a final table.<br /><br />I don't think shoving 125 bigs with AK over a 4bb open is a good application of that strategy, but there are some very good players out there who will tune up the aggression early so they can accumulate a stack which can then be used to continue to accumulate/absorb bad beats/ride out periods of card death.Missingflopshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05305775958095793633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-87333033083294259972012-04-24T12:09:26.513-07:002012-04-24T12:09:26.513-07:00Sounds like someone who does not know how to play ...Sounds like someone who does not know how to play AK well and just wants the hand to be over.SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.com