tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post3783796131264933360..comments2024-01-31T14:12:23.950-08:00Comments on Rob's Vegas and Poker Blog: Fastest Bustout Out of a Tournament Ever--and It's Not Really A Bad ThingRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-49642815266960216222012-03-31T02:48:52.424-07:002012-03-31T02:48:52.424-07:00Same for the finance world, I.e., naked shorts, sp...Same for the finance world, I.e., naked shorts, spreads, etc.Luv Maltshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07172516188826188552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-25653812412048450122012-03-30T10:04:01.697-07:002012-03-30T10:04:01.697-07:00Thanks, Vook. Perhaps you and Gary can fight it ou...Thanks, Vook. Perhaps you and Gary can fight it out!Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-61042492074044851702012-03-30T08:39:53.112-07:002012-03-30T08:39:53.112-07:00it's not a grey area. There are some times i...it's not a grey area. There are some times in tourneys where you want to avoid flips (especially with a middle size stack) and should pass up maybe even a big potential edge (like on the bubble of a tourney that has evenly proportional payouts).<br /><br />However, in this spot if VIllain shows you a flush draw you should be shoving all your chips in your best Phil Helmuthian manner as quickly as possible. Even without seeing his cards this is a snap shove/call/etc.<br /><br />You played it fine except for the part about getting unlucky!Vookenmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07833150991507495668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-26996914015902702192012-03-29T23:55:09.131-07:002012-03-29T23:55:09.131-07:00Shoot me if I ever get hooked on PLO.Shoot me if I ever get hooked on PLO.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-87988515567214802822012-03-29T23:53:53.407-07:002012-03-29T23:53:53.407-07:00Many poker terms sound dirty. "All in", ...Many poker terms sound dirty. "All in", "big stacks", "huge pair" "suck out" etc.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-25349130789944192012012-03-29T23:52:13.755-07:002012-03-29T23:52:13.755-07:00You're right. When I got to one of the last 2...You're right. When I got to one of the last 2 tables, he was nowhere to be seen. Thanks.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-65222704151970591742012-03-29T23:51:27.213-07:002012-03-29T23:51:27.213-07:00How about bridge?How about bridge?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-47957539286071988032012-03-29T23:51:06.635-07:002012-03-29T23:51:06.635-07:00Thanks for posting, Pete, appreciate your thoughts...Thanks for posting, Pete, appreciate your thoughts. At the time, the guy showed no signs of humiliation, I assure you.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-77598022536573876042012-03-29T23:50:06.815-07:002012-03-29T23:50:06.815-07:00Gary, you're the only one so far that wasn'...Gary, you're the only one so far that wasn't 100% behind my call, so it's interesting to see some contrarian views. To me, it depends n the size and scope of the tournament. I think I would have folded if it had been a $10k event! Two months ago I would have folded at this same tournament. I made a couple of posts on AVP about this, and to me, in this context, I do think about the entry fee.<br /><br />I wonder if your pal Josie would agree with you on this being a grey area, she's pretty aggresive at the poker table, isn't she?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-44004315540311677452012-03-29T23:05:04.278-07:002012-03-29T23:05:04.278-07:00as everyone else said (except Gary) you played the...as everyone else said (except Gary) you played the hand great.<br />Even if he was on a flush draw he still has to HIT in order to win and even if he hits you have Boat outs, or you could have gotten there already before he hit (or at the same time he hit).<br />You are a huge favorite to most every hand there - sometimes they get there.<br /><br />Glad you played it the way you did, your transition into a NL player is coming along nicely.<br />Next we get you into PLO so that you know what true variance really is :)grrouchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619493798073601300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-89349264538093426992012-03-29T20:36:21.940-07:002012-03-29T20:36:21.940-07:00Your checkraise tells my aces I am behind. You ha...Your checkraise tells my aces I am behind. You have a set or flopped top two. The only hand you might hold that I'm ahead of Q-10 or 10-8 of spades which puts me still at only 50/50 to win. I might call your check raise and be very thankful when the 3rd ace falls on the turn but shove? Thats just crazy. Bet you outlasted him in that tourneyThe Neophytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11606959676407800658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-30568523682679561882012-03-29T18:46:24.799-07:002012-03-29T18:46:24.799-07:00Shove? Somehow that sounds sexual.....sorry!Shove? Somehow that sounds sexual.....sorry!Luv Maltshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07172516188826188552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-53251307401091733482012-03-29T14:24:49.787-07:002012-03-29T14:24:49.787-07:00Call the shove and don't even think twice. Cas...Call the shove and don't even think twice. Cash game, tournament, tiddlywinks, whatever, easy call.Memphis MOJOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653631347560307425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-76046297188739837892012-03-29T14:19:16.901-07:002012-03-29T14:19:16.901-07:00That hand is just gross. Villain's shove is a...That hand is just gross. Villain's shove is atrocious in that spot. Perhaps he thought you were betting your draw aggressively (str8t or flush); but even so, the shove is horrible. No question you played it right (which I'm sure you realize . . .). I would have been humiliated if I were him !Pete P. Petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12263919213843721318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-92006513018600951582012-03-29T12:51:56.464-07:002012-03-29T12:51:56.464-07:00Thanks, Waffle-man. I had no read at all, other t...Thanks, Waffle-man. I had no read at all, other than assuming he would follow his preflop raise with a flop raise. He seemed to know the dealers, so I guess he plays in the room a lot, but I know that doesn't make him a good player. And unless he had pocket Jacks, I couldn't see his move as a smart play.<br /><br />Maybe he'd just assumed I was a weak, timid player who would fold my set because I'm not the young, handsome, dashing kid I used to be (back in the JFK administration).Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-79492853438701975332012-03-29T12:50:37.426-07:002012-03-29T12:50:37.426-07:00Cash game, no question that's the right move t...Cash game, no question that's the right move there. For a tournament, it's a bit of a grey area, especially with two spades on the board. You could be up against a donkey shove with a draw. Yes, your hand was pretty powerful, though vulnerable to set over set as you mentioned, but my much bigger concern would have been the spades. In tournaments, you have to sometimes lay down the best hand; I don't know if I could have right there, but that's why I play cash games almost exclusively now. Besides, advice is much easier to give than to take.craftyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12092073053793715234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-81802877064107317132012-03-29T12:44:40.601-07:002012-03-29T12:44:40.601-07:00You played it totally and completely correctly. Yo...You played it totally and completely correctly. You lost. That is poker. Have fun next time. Unless you had a dead-on read he had the higher set you can never fold there.SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-67895949993135485692012-03-29T12:43:37.485-07:002012-03-29T12:43:37.485-07:00You put in a small amount preflop as an 80-20 dog,...You put in a small amount preflop as an 80-20 dog, with serious implied odds. Aces yahoo put in his whole stack, and put his tourney life at risk, as a 90-10 dog, where he mostly gets called by hands that beat him. I approve of one of these two plays.Grange95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01857460215043659894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-8360577034881855612012-03-29T12:41:11.788-07:002012-03-29T12:41:11.788-07:00Hmmm, I wonder if that person reads my blog? Perh...Hmmm, I wonder if that person reads my blog? Perhaps he'll fess up here.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-77906422470872136572012-03-29T12:32:14.775-07:002012-03-29T12:32:14.775-07:00I once saw a blogger bust out of a deep stack tour...I once saw a blogger bust out of a deep stack tournament in Las Vegas on the first orbit -- perhaps the second hand of the tournament. He was so embarrassed that he had never mentioned it publicly ...lightning36https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641629003610446976noreply@blogger.com