tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post5560309349037012592..comments2024-01-31T14:12:23.950-08:00Comments on Rob's Vegas and Poker Blog: A Colossal Failure (Part 2)Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-15586524101091912552015-06-24T00:29:46.242-07:002015-06-24T00:29:46.242-07:00Excellent points. TD's, are you listening?Excellent points. TD's, are you listening?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-24862086319617546982015-06-23T11:38:32.757-07:002015-06-23T11:38:32.757-07:00I mean....think about it...what's the differen...I mean....think about it...what's the difference between a $1200 mincash or say a $2K cash with more steps laddering up? This is Vegas and that $800 can be spent in the blink of an eye. I really don't think a flatter payout at the bottom will have much effect other than to speed up the rest of the tourney...which is a good thing. Then the people who are staying in town for a while will reinvest in another small buyin event...and those who are flying out will leave with a smile on their face! " I cashed an event at the WSOP!"Can you imagine the bragging rights at the local home game? IMO it's win win for the WSOP and the players...and should you make it through that massive field and final table....you get a nice 100K payday for your trouble.billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295140486343314796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-15477547602588875142015-06-23T10:12:49.291-07:002015-06-23T10:12:49.291-07:00Good points, bill, appreciate your input. Now if ...Good points, bill, appreciate your input. Now if we only get the tournament managers to see the benefits of this.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-44938889668537396372015-06-23T04:01:42.423-07:002015-06-23T04:01:42.423-07:00It will play just like any tourney after the bubbl...It will play just like any tourney after the bubble bursts only faster. If you are short stacked you'll be shoving alot to try and build a stack...if you are average stack you will look for spots...big stacks will try and pick off some easy chips from shorties...etc<br /><br />athis was discussed on the pokernews podcast ...I think many of the mincashers would reinest into a $1K or $1500 anyway...so the money would flow back in to the lower buyin eventsbillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295140486343314796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-2636845276091044232015-06-22T15:36:37.518-07:002015-06-22T15:36:37.518-07:00At first glance that looks reasonable, bill.....it...At first glance that looks reasonable, bill.....it sounds like you would have just a very flat pay scale at the bottom, with a huge amount of people getting basically the min cash, or very few pay jumps. I wonder how such a scale would affect play? if you had the min cash and it would take you like 100 people busting out before you'd make a jump, how would you play as opposed to being able to move up with every bust out? I dunno, just wondering.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-9028828097294434522015-06-21T23:11:25.268-07:002015-06-21T23:11:25.268-07:00I think something like this would have been more a...I think something like this would have been more appropriate:<br /><br />1st: 1 mirrion dollars<br />2nd 800K <br />3rd 600K<br />4th 500K<br />5th 400K<br />6th 300K<br />7th 250K<br />8th 200K<br />9th 100K<br /><br />thats just over 4mirrion and leaves 7 million for the rest of the cashers.<br />It guarantees a million up top and 100K for final tabling...and I didnt do the math on the other cashers but I am sure you could mincash a ton of people at $1200 and spread the wealth appropriately up the ranksbillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295140486343314796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-69390112127870901242015-06-21T13:43:45.737-07:002015-06-21T13:43:45.737-07:00Thanks Coach....and thanks for the marching orders...Thanks Coach....and thanks for the marching orders. I'm in Vegas for awhile longer, and I honestly can't say when I'll get to the that post. It should be long even by my standards, and I want to take the time to do it justice.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-65339229795146787892015-06-21T11:40:46.775-07:002015-06-21T11:40:46.775-07:00Okay, it's time for you to start writing about...Okay, it's time for you to start writing about your nice payout in your multi-day event and put every other post on the back burner... Congratulations in advance, after the fact! ;)<br />~Coachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00063024399528751971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-13508305358417283172015-06-21T11:01:03.975-07:002015-06-21T11:01:03.975-07:00Sorry to hear. Yeah, cash and tournaments are tw...Sorry to hear. Yeah, cash and tournaments are two different animals. A little practice might have been a good idea...even online.<br /><br />Sorry about the dreaded hand. Obviously not surprised. :)Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-10411461121935848602015-06-21T10:57:22.549-07:002015-06-21T10:57:22.549-07:00See my comment above regarding the payscale....I g...See my comment above regarding the payscale....I guess it's fair to say they were in a situation where people were going to be unhappy no matter what they did.<br /><br />Regarding the table changes....I believe I did give them credit at the outset for how they handled some of the logistical nightmares.<br /><br />But you know, my posts are (usually) about what happens to me, and pointing out how the way they handled the breaking of the tables affected me is an important element in relating my tournament experience. I believe my readers would expect that and that's certainly they way I want to do my posts.<br /><br />As to whether or not that was the right way to do it, well, we can debate that. The fact that the wanted to do "waves" instead of accepting alternates one by one was I guess the reason they did it that way. But even so, they could have broken all tables in the same room into the same room until much later if they had chosen to do so, reducing the randomness of some people spending a lot of time moving between rooms. There would have been logistical problems with this, but there were logistical problems with the way they did it as I pointed out.<br /><br />I didn't even complain about the fact that I had paid my entry fee back in March--one of the first to do so--and still was stuck moving for a rather arbitrary reason in the second level. It's not like our table was short and had to be broken up. We were full, they just did it based on a choice they made before the thing began. I could have easily griped that as an early registrant, I should have been assigned to a table that wouldn't be broken so early.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-34515957111445440032015-06-21T10:45:48.697-07:002015-06-21T10:45:48.697-07:00Yeah, I suppose if I had a shitoad of time on my h...Yeah, I suppose if I had a shitoad of time on my hands, I'd sit down and analyze the entire pay structure and come up with a "robvegaspoker - approved" version. Until then, I'll stand by what I wrote. Tho it is possible the problem could be solved my making the whole scale flatter after the very top.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-38474147783014810872015-06-21T10:43:55.621-07:002015-06-21T10:43:55.621-07:00Really? D-minus? For those COLOSSAL boobies??? ...Really? D-minus? For those COLOSSAL boobies??? That hurts, and I am counting on you now that anger is no longer grading them. I think he's given up on boobies, too much 420 for him to appreciate them any more.<br /><br />Well, at least I gave you three times the boobies in Part 1.<br /><br />Good luck in London! Cheerio!Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-62225671092204749472015-06-21T10:41:32.862-07:002015-06-21T10:41:32.862-07:00LOL....the thing is, I really didn't have to g...LOL....the thing is, I really didn't have to go at the break, but I figured there was no way I'd last to the next break, so that's why I went. They made you leave the room anyway and the hallways were jammed, so you were better off walking away from the convention center anyway than just standing in the mob.<br /><br />I agree Dave....although I have lots of issues with tourney payouts in general, I think this time they pretty much got it right. You want to encourage people to play. You want people who think they have zero chance of finishing in the top 5 but at least SOME chance of finishing in the money to have a reason to play.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-30587219842019383622015-06-21T07:28:03.487-07:002015-06-21T07:28:03.487-07:00I only fired one bullet and played poorly. I didn&...I only fired one bullet and played poorly. I didn't get many real hands to work with, the only truly premium hand I got was KK, and misplayed them when I should have been able to figure out they were beat. I tried to make a couple of position moves with marginal hands, but I either had my c-bet raised when I held only 2nd pair, or faced a donk lead from a tricky player when I had no pair, no draw and a stack I felt was too shallow to float or bluff-raise with. Probably missed a couple of spots where a squeeze play might have worked, if I could have executed confidently.<br /><br />I probably would have benefited by playing some local dailies or DSE events as warm-up, my tournament game was a bit rusty.BuzzedSawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06914644340058337190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-17902949021668769962015-06-21T01:22:38.670-07:002015-06-21T01:22:38.670-07:00You seem annoyed with the table changes. You do re...You seem annoyed with the table changes. You do realize this was the largest live tournament in history and I am sure an absolute nightmare t coordinate?<br /><br />I just think its kind of silly to enter an event called "The Colossus" and get pissed when small annoying things happen.<br /><br />As to the prize distribution...it was really bottom heavy...a guy from 2p2 finished in the top 900 I think? and got $5K. I see both sides of it...you want a mincash to be decent...but if you get through a field like that over days...I would probably want more up top. My biggest issue with it is 2nd place got $400K and the final table only guaranteed a $67K payday! Really? $67K for final tabling the largest live tourney ever? I dunno...I think it was "OK" but could have been much better.billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295140486343314796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-62492550765361779572015-06-21T00:42:04.452-07:002015-06-21T00:42:04.452-07:00IDK... if you are going to outlast that many entra...IDK... if you are going to outlast that many entrants, you want a million... should have guartd. 1 million for first. I do agree with the double your buyin min cash. Screw the people in the middle!Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04744136002772588501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-7530665141512550102015-06-20T17:09:08.602-07:002015-06-20T17:09:08.602-07:00Nice report, but I have to give a D-minus boobage ...Nice report, but I have to give a D-minus boobage score. Congratulations for cashing in a tournament - looking forward to reading about it.<br /><br />I'm going to London next week - a city that actually has some poker. Might get in a session or two... VegasDWPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00150332887117733111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-80509372891633539942015-06-20T16:58:14.607-07:002015-06-20T16:58:14.607-07:00missed about two-three minutes of the next level, ...<i>missed about two-three minutes of the next level, one or two hands. </i><br /><br />If I really have to go, I leave with 60 seconds on the clock and beat the masses. Only do this, of course, if not in blinds or in late position.<br /><br />Regarding the flap about not a huge payout, poker players will complain no matter what they do, Actually, I think they do a pretty good job of figuring out what's best for poker for the long haul. You agree?Memphis MOJOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653631347560307425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-13415511681432347482015-06-20T15:00:23.112-07:002015-06-20T15:00:23.112-07:00You call those big name pros??? :)
Thanks for th...You call those big name pros??? :)<br /><br />Thanks for the correction, BuzzedSaw.....how did you do? How many bullets did you fire?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-44951299324663330532015-06-20T13:48:54.665-07:002015-06-20T13:48:54.665-07:00"I don’t think any of the big name pros bothe..."I don’t think any of the big name pros bothered with this"<br />I had Mike Matusow at my table and I'm told Antonio Esfandiari was playing that day as well.BuzzedSawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06914644340058337190noreply@blogger.com