tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post5960855598522972812..comments2024-01-31T14:12:23.950-08:00Comments on Rob's Vegas and Poker Blog: Dominick Muzio And the State of Poker TodayRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-32263243422972295452015-10-08T14:56:53.337-07:002015-10-08T14:56:53.337-07:00Wow, now THAT was a delayed response! Thanks for ...Wow, now THAT was a delayed response! Thanks for getting back to me!Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-24854155672589374452015-10-08T12:33:40.622-07:002015-10-08T12:33:40.622-07:00no but have many as friends, and see the crap they...no but have many as friends, and see the crap they go thru<br /><br />dealt at home game, never want to do it at Casino. nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06762471622395762710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-2954671477149592012015-04-25T18:53:15.728-07:002015-04-25T18:53:15.728-07:00Thanks, Nick!
I gather you're a dealer yourse...Thanks, Nick!<br /><br />I gather you're a dealer yourself?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-20979930282614130292015-04-25T17:11:49.111-07:002015-04-25T17:11:49.111-07:00great article from dealer perspective great article from dealer perspective nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06762471622395762710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-39233461508017127442015-02-22T09:53:54.635-08:002015-02-22T09:53:54.635-08:00Thanks for the comments
Your comments are all va...Thanks for the comments <br /><br />Your comments are all valid. But let me just say that in this day and age, I don't any of the medium to small rooms in Vegas are ever gong to get rid of jackpots (promos). People just expect them and plenty of folks choose rooms based on them. The tourists are used to promos in their local rooms back home and have always been stunned when they go to a room that doesn't have any promos in Vegas to find out that is the case.<br /><br /><br />The locals rooms have to compete with each other via promos to get the local nits and retirees (is that redundant) to get that group of players. The retirees feel the game is unbeatable (and the way they play it it certainly is) so they go where they thing the can win the most via promos). <br /><br />Nice thought about tips, you could make the same argument for waiters/waitresses and cab drivers, etc....but I don't think there's any change coming in the near or even distant future. But you are absolutely right that tipping discourages dealers from being to heavy handed about enforcing the rules. In fact, I can believe I can make that point in a future post I am working on.<br /><br />Definitely true about the booze...but the casinos would much rather the players get drunk and lose that money in the pit or at the slots than in the poker room where you and I might get it instead of the house.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-89465444590279396682015-02-22T04:38:37.864-08:002015-02-22T04:38:37.864-08:00As an outsider that reads poker blogs, two points ...As an outsider that reads poker blogs, two points strike me.<br /><br />Firstly, the jackpot system is crud. I would be there to play poker, not bingo. Players are choosing to play a game of skill, but are having a game of chance thrust upon them. (I gather some of that money might be used to subsidise tournaments, but why should one have to put in time at one's inconvenience to try to get that cut back?)<br /><br />Secondly, the rake should include the money to pay the dealers a proper wage, with tipping abolished. I suspect a big reason dealers are often sloppy about properly enforcing the rules is because by doing so they will make themselves unpopular and lose out on tipping income.<br /><br />As for the free alcohol, casinos know full well that lubricated players are significantly more likely to buy back in than sober players.sebszebrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15191341076471584476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-7112775351268238542015-02-21T23:04:10.513-08:002015-02-21T23:04:10.513-08:00Thanks, guys. I have to say, the change that Domi...Thanks, guys. I have to say, the change that Dominick noted in ESPN coverage of poker occured before I was paying attention at all to poker. I have no idea what it was like before that. And I have no idea of coverage of the non-hold'em events would increase popularity or nite. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-29359557908527512202015-02-21T17:12:01.776-08:002015-02-21T17:12:01.776-08:00Thanks MOJO... ;)
Thanks MOJO... ;)<br />~Coachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00063024399528751971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-38341529182027703072015-02-21T17:00:13.027-08:002015-02-21T17:00:13.027-08:00Good interview and interesting stuff. I don't ...Good interview and interesting stuff. I don't agree, however, that ESPN has ruined poker. On the contrary, it has made poker, Now that WPT isn't on the travel channel anymore, it is the biggie for keeping poker out there.Memphis MOJOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653631347560307425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-39998694337116384972015-02-20T20:01:38.625-08:002015-02-20T20:01:38.625-08:001 out of 3 isnt bad #halloffamebattingavg1 out of 3 isnt bad #halloffamebattingavgangerisagifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01945967112589502437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-59773913702348370492015-02-20T18:36:30.241-08:002015-02-20T18:36:30.241-08:00Thanks, Steve, some great counterpoint there.
I t...Thanks, Steve, some great counterpoint there.<br /><br />I think Dom was exaggerating a few times to make a point. Yes the rake is tricky. But the other thing he didn't say is this: Suppose you had a home game instead. Suppose you could do it with no rake. The problem is it would be all people you know, all regulars, probably all good players. You'd likely be just trading money back and forth every week. You need those tourists constantly coming in who hopefully don't know how to play well leaving their money behind. They are never going to find your home game.<br /><br />I dunno the economics of poker rooms but I don't see how they could get by with much less rake. And as pointed out, the rake in Vegas is a lot lower than almost anywhere else in the country. As I pointed out here on the blog, in LA., the Bike and most of the other rooms take $7 out of most pots now ($6 + $1) and they take most of that on the first $10 in the pot.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-28904974368429485812015-02-20T18:28:25.709-08:002015-02-20T18:28:25.709-08:00Totally agree, bill. Then there's the worst.....Totally agree, bill. Then there's the worst....the guys who actually are hostile to the tourists, either because they make a bad call and hit, giving the grinder a bad beat, or because they are too friendly and don't want to be bothered. Or they like to give advice, which is not only counter-productive but usually manages to piss off the person getting the advice.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-82912703478310981672015-02-20T18:25:56.651-08:002015-02-20T18:25:56.651-08:00Well, dream on. Neither of those things will happ...Well, dream on. Neither of those things will happen in your lifetime.<br /><br />But there's a chance for Deep Fried Twinkie delivery.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-73551126922844868452015-02-20T18:23:47.332-08:002015-02-20T18:23:47.332-08:00@anger: Yep.@anger: Yep.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-87461668016463308042015-02-20T15:39:08.261-08:002015-02-20T15:39:08.261-08:00hmmmmmmm didnt Moneymaker win his entry on a super...hmmmmmmm didnt Moneymaker win his entry on a super satellite online??angerisagifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01945967112589502437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-79857362535389730232015-02-20T14:52:26.953-08:002015-02-20T14:52:26.953-08:00I do agree with most of what he says however. The...I do agree with most of what he says however. The part about having $100k and not being able to give away seats to the Main Event was interesting. If Harrah's was giving away 10 seats to the Main Event, that would have gotten my attention. I would absolutely love to play in the Main Event but I don't want to pay $10k to play in it. <br /><br />He was probably right to reject the offers from the guys who wanted to be props for $10 an hour. I think the old promotion at TI which offered $10 a day took extra money out of the pots to pay for the promotion, so the room would be worse off today if they hired props and didn't try to pay for it somehow. <br /><br />The part he mentions about how casino marketers don't understand that poker players can bring in more money for the casino is horrifying. I wouldn't even be in the casinos if it wasn't for poker, and I certainly wouldn't bring anybody with me or encourage anybody else to go if I wasn't in the casinos. I also wouldn't lose money in the video poker machines or spend money on food if it wasn't for poker. <br /><br />Steve007Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-35291295433485949042015-02-20T14:39:49.279-08:002015-02-20T14:39:49.279-08:00I strongly disagree with some of his comments abou...I strongly disagree with some of his comments about the rake. Yeah, there is $1400 on the table, but the room isn't taking $4 out of it. The room is taking much more than that. If I play for a few hours, the room is taking hundreds of dollars out of the pots I see at the table. Also, in a 1-2 NL game, how often is the room taking a $4 rake out of a $1400 pot? How many pots are even over $100 in a 1-2 NL game? He almost makes it sound like players are constantly going all-in. <br /><br />He also mentions limit games and suggests it makes more sense to complain about the rake there. But he even mentioned 8-16 and 10-20 which are clearly bigger games (especially 10-20) than 1-2 and 1-3 NL. He mentions limit players possibly having a $22 an hour winrate but how many players at 1-2 NL can win $22 an hour? If you're making $10 a hour you're way ahead of almost everybody at that level. That's why the rake is so significant. <br /><br />Another problem I have is he doesn't mention that even great NL players will have a lot of losing days. They can hit that hand, get the chips in and find out that someone else hit a better hand. Or maybe they get sucked out on. Or maybe everybody folds and then win a tiny pot. <br /><br />He made a comment about making $1800 in two hands. I've never made $1800 in two hands in a 1-2 NL game, ever. <br /><br />In short, winning money at 1-2 NL is much harder than he suggests that it is.<br /><br />In spite of all this, I do agree with his larger point that players actually do have a great deal in the rooms in Vegas, including TI which comps players at $2 an hour, offers reasonable rake, offers free drinks, etc. As a result, when I do play at rooms like TI, I'm not going to complain about the rake. <br /><br />Steve007Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-2433583631848508402015-02-20T11:22:04.174-08:002015-02-20T11:22:04.174-08:00I think the part about the social aspect is really...I think the part about the social aspect is really important. If the grinders chat with the tourists and show them a good time its a win for everyone....the tourists stay longer and lose more to the grinders.....the tourists wives are spending more on the casino floor or shopping....and the game doesnt break as quickly...I see too many grinders in a live venue with their phones/tablets paying no attention to newcomers to the table....they are your customers FFS! Thats where your income comes from...invest a little effort to keep them around! /rantbillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02295140486343314796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-61340813811539422902015-02-20T11:19:41.226-08:002015-02-20T11:19:41.226-08:00B+++++++ 420 friendly poker rooms #gamechanger and...B+++++++ 420 friendly poker rooms #gamechanger and topless big titty poker dealers #problemsolvedangerisagifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01945967112589502437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-89056866692616273052015-02-20T08:28:43.861-08:002015-02-20T08:28:43.861-08:00Thanks, Micheal, great comments.
You definitely...Thanks, Micheal, great comments. <br /><br />You definitely need both--the grinders and the tourists--and you have to find a way to keep them both happy. Definitely the grinders can turn off the tourists,which is bad. Not just with their unfriendliness, but sometimes with outright hostility, which is not only bad, it's stupid.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-58128766022285928902015-02-20T08:25:57.290-08:002015-02-20T08:25:57.290-08:00Thanks, Tony.
Gee, I dunno why all of a sudden I&...Thanks, Tony.<br /><br />Gee, I dunno why all of a sudden I'm not getting emails alerting me when you post a comment. Very strange. And then, when I approved your comment (in the middle of the night) I also did NOT get an email telling me that the comment posted, as I usually do. It only seems to be happening with your comments.<br /><br />Dominick is not running the room, unfortunately. A casino exec (I think in marketing?) is actually making all the decisions. But with heavy input from his staff and particular the supervisors. Dom only has a voice-- a big booming voice, to be sure--but not the final word.<br />Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-22830615377756970182015-02-20T06:02:40.752-08:002015-02-20T06:02:40.752-08:00Such a great post. Dominick nailed so many good po...Such a great post. Dominick nailed so many good points on the current state of poker and some of its problems and failures.<br /><br />I love the part about how casinos refuse to acknowledge that poker brings in more income then just what happens in the poker room. Like Dominick said, the husband will come in and play and the wife has to do something, so she goes and loses 300 bucks playing slots while he plays poker. The casino wouldn't of had that revenue if the husband didn't choose that casino to play poker in. You also get all the poker players who like playing craps and blackjack that go and spend money after playing poker because they are already there. But none of that gets attributed to poker because the poker room can't really prove it even though anyone that works in a poker room knows that's what happens. It's tough to explain that to a bean counter when they look at poker revenue. <br /><br />The biggest fight for poker going forward in my opinion is how to balance the grinders against the social players to keep the player pools growing. Everyone that plays will play for one reason or another, either for entertainment or to make money but both of these kind of go against each other. The social players that want to play for the fun and enjoyment of it get turned off by the grinders that sit there with their hoodies on and headphones and just look miserable while they play while not saying a word. But you need them to keep any room going because they are the backbone of the poker game since they will be there to spend long hours and play while the social players will come play for 2-3 hours and then leave to go do something else. How the game balances both factions will determine how much live poker grows. Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-3154837884530378692015-02-20T05:52:42.723-08:002015-02-20T05:52:42.723-08:00I think that the death of online poker hurt the ga...I think that the death of online poker hurt the game more than any of his 'Big 3' - I also think that ESPN HELPED the game tremendously. Where was poker before it was online, that Moneymaker WSOP win (on ESPN), and the movie 'Rounders?' I'll save the ranting for the new blog though... ;) ~Coachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00063024399528751971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-67504738170573583062015-02-20T01:28:29.684-08:002015-02-20T01:28:29.684-08:00Great post. Dominick like me, isnt afraid to speak...Great post. Dominick like me, isnt afraid to speak his mind on things he strongly believes in. And i certainly dont like the policies of big corporations, this is why i feel more at home playing poker in reno than here. i am doing well here in florida, (in my win rate per hour) but i dont feel totally at home here like i did in Cathys woods room at the Peppermill. i didnt realize people who drink alcohol cost the room so much money. perhaps those who dont drink should get extra comps? its nice when rooms sit out the pop and coffee for u, because even the waitress dont appreciate ur $1 tip near as much as the tips from those who drink. its the damn corporations that instead on the $2 a minute massages too instead of the $1 a minute ones at the tracks, and thats why theyre constanly begging people if they want a massage. and is why the min BJ tables here are $25. its all about the bottom line. <br /><br />if sheldon adelson hates online poker so much, why does he allow people in the Venetian to play online poker on the Ipad while playing? makes no sense. people shouldnt be watching movies either, or using laptops although theres nothing wrong with me playing bejewled on my cell, keeps me from getting bored. <br /><br />make tables 9 handed instead of 10, helps create more action. Bring in PLO and especially PLO8. if u want stud to come back quit making it way too high like $20-40 or way too low such as $2/4 $3/6. $2-10 spread limit and make the low card put $2 out there, and FORCE the high card to raise it to $10. now that would be a fun game and force wild action, with $12 in forced betting. <br /><br />i 100% agree with paying more spots in a tourny. why cant he change that if he is now the one running the room?Tony Bigcharleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505857211799064393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-74416334593497632602015-02-19T22:57:50.688-08:002015-02-19T22:57:50.688-08:00Thanks, Coach.....he did mention the death of onli...Thanks, Coach.....he did mention the death of online poker hurting the game, just not as one of his "big 3." <br /><br />Look at it this way, without online poker, we'd have never had Chris Moneymaker.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.com