tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post5995970752442354592..comments2024-01-31T14:12:23.950-08:00Comments on Rob's Vegas and Poker Blog: The Secret to Winning With Pocket Kings--Foul Smelling Chinese FoodRobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-87513902302833612272012-08-12T10:42:01.661-07:002012-08-12T10:42:01.661-07:00Yeah, but you missed the point. It would make me s...Yeah, but you missed the point. It would make me start playing "What the hell poker" and thus I'd get a suck out and stack you! Works everytime! :)Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-91935092384765592622012-08-11T17:13:01.489-07:002012-08-11T17:13:01.489-07:00next time we play together I'm bringing some P...next time we play together I'm bringing some Panda Express - just ask them for whatever smells strongest at the time.<br />Won't even eat the shit, just open it up and sit it between us.<br /><br />:)grrouchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619493798073601300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-47902435047510351082012-08-11T12:35:07.167-07:002012-08-11T12:35:07.167-07:00LOL....it was defnitely the Chinese food, but the ...LOL....it was defnitely the Chinese food, but the real question is, had it been, um, "reprocessed" by the time I smelled it?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-55730943486038555932012-08-11T12:33:15.277-07:002012-08-11T12:33:15.277-07:00I think I would have been 3-bet before the flop if...I think I would have been 3-bet before the flop if anyone had Aces. Never considered that as a strong possibility. And thanks for the comment, Makarschuk!Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-49332184727914375722012-08-11T12:32:00.328-07:002012-08-11T12:32:00.328-07:00Thanks MOJO. I'm sure it was a bad call, pot ...Thanks MOJO. I'm sure it was a bad call, pot odds wise, but I'd rather make a bad call for a few bucks than for a couple of hundred. And I'm sure it won't be the last bad call I make--this week, even.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-39850683244578715542012-08-11T12:30:08.486-07:002012-08-11T12:30:08.486-07:00Thanks Ken....I think. Your comment was actually a...Thanks Ken....I think. Your comment was actually as long as some of my posts, and I have to say I like that, even if I'm not sure what you are saying :) But I wasn't really upset at all at the criticism I got, and I don't feel I played the hand badly UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. Now if I had risked a couple of hundred bucks on that draw with those odds, that would have been a donkey play. But for a few bucks as I was ready to call it a nite, I'm fine with my play. I thought others would find their comments amusing.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-42508830951098372142012-08-11T12:15:23.507-07:002012-08-11T12:15:23.507-07:00Ken P's comments are getting as long as your p...Ken P's comments are getting as long as your posts ...<br /><br />btw -- Have you considered that maybe what you smelled was not bad Chinese food?lightning36https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641629003610446976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-58640280785196922502012-08-11T05:40:02.542-07:002012-08-11T05:40:02.542-07:00Had they checked the flop, you would have had soli...Had they checked the flop, you would have had solid ground on the turn based on pot vs outs. Do it a lot without the outs and it is a long term loser. But, we all do things when we are frustrated and this one worked out. <br /><br />We've all sat there folded and watched the low odds play hit. But, it is better to see such a hand played by the other guy. It a trait we appreciate in an opponent. <br /><br />The people you were playing didn't have the right to kick sand or tap glass. It was your standard loose game. Next time you write about such a hand, don't use outs but blame it on your read -- works for the rest of us. ;)<br /><br />Neither opponent should have played the way they did. At least your frustration provided a semi-legit response. The guys with big stacks were the dumbest getting it in without even TPTK. <br /><br />When you learn to fold TPTK at the right times, you find your way to the cashier's cage and to final tables. But, in the ring games you play, determining that fold can be a real challenge. (obviously...) <br /><br />Truthfully, there isn't a player here who hasn't made a worse play. But, when the blood pressure has gone back down, we don't blog it. Your blog honesty is refreshing.<br /><br />I've written a lot about my not being able to play much tournament Hold'em these days. Tilt happens and it has affected that for me. Disclaimers aside, you were darn close to that mindset on the hand.<br /><br />P.S. I am with Mojo on Sklansky. When you nitpick one more out and use just outs like he mostly does, that isn't poker. That works to a point. As Dave has shown in his late play, you need flexibility in your approach. In ring adjusting to table style is the equivalent.<br /><br />(I talked too much and this is way too disjointed.)KenPhttp://www.pokerperambulation.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-780004339594171132012-08-10T15:47:55.192-07:002012-08-10T15:47:55.192-07:00The problem is that you could already be up agains...The problem is that you could already be up against a set of A's, which would lower your odds. However, this is fairly unlikely when you have two all-in callers.Makarschuknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-31979169738759735642012-08-10T15:45:19.198-07:002012-08-10T15:45:19.198-07:00Matt is right that the flush possibility should be...Matt is right that the flush possibility should be one out (according to Sklansky). I usually, however, discount it as it doesn't seem to work for me (being one extra out).<br /><br />I put the hands in Poker Stove giving one guy AQ another AJ and another a random hand. It says you have 13.783% equity in the deal. Now it's reduced to a math problem. You can add up the pot, what it would take you to call and decide if you should have made the call or not. (I'm not doing the math, but guessing not.)Memphis MOJOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653631347560307425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-87043971515000287392012-08-10T12:21:25.187-07:002012-08-10T12:21:25.187-07:00Thanks very much for the info, Matt.
I know I go...Thanks very much for the info, Matt. <br /><br />I know I got lucky, but hey, that's poker, right?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-86192990407223262382012-08-10T12:09:36.546-07:002012-08-10T12:09:36.546-07:00You can count any runner-runner straight or flush ...You can count any runner-runner straight or flush draw as about 1 extra out. <br /><br />In this case, you need one of 9 hearts to hit out of 47 unseen cards. THEN, you need one of 8 hearts to hit out of 46 unseen cards. So (9/47)*(8/46) = .033, or 3%.<br /><br />3% is roughly one and a half "outs". An eight out runner-runner straight draw is a little less, I round them down and treat both as 1 out.<br /><br />So you can count 2 kings as 1 runner-runner for a total of 3 outs when counting your pot odds. Since you're all in, you'll hit by the river about 12% of the time. (rule of 4 with 3 outs).matt taghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082969194551315973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-62333578328215561782012-08-10T11:53:27.793-07:002012-08-10T11:53:27.793-07:00Yeah, once the heart hit the turn, I had 9 more ou...Yeah, once the heart hit the turn, I had 9 more outs on the river. But if the turn is heartless, I'm down to 2. So since there's a one in four chance (more or less) of the turn being a heart, do we call that 2 and a half outs?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-71113232705862832852012-08-10T11:48:57.969-07:002012-08-10T11:48:57.969-07:00P.S. Of course the 12 outs are a fourflusher's...P.S. Of course the 12 outs are a fourflusher's lie; but hell, they wouldn't have figured that out. ;)-KenPhttp://www.pokerperambulation.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-70968105037247995922012-08-10T11:43:50.258-07:002012-08-10T11:43:50.258-07:00Thanks Ken. I have to admit I'm always a litt...Thanks Ken. I have to admit I'm always a little confused as to how to count outs when you need two cards, not one. You say I had 10 outs from the backdoor flush draw, but is that accurate? I needed to have hearts on both the turn and the river to make a flush (which, thankfully, I did).<br /><br />Or say you flop a set against a flopped straight or flush. Right then you have 7 outs, 3 from each of the other two cards for the boat and one from your card for quads. But if the turn misses, you have three more outs, that turn card pairing. Is it accurate to say you have 10 outs on the flop?<br /><br />I've gotten a lot better at ignoring people criticize my play the past few months. Now I almost enjoy it!Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-35707043862098774642012-08-10T11:33:43.959-07:002012-08-10T11:33:43.959-07:00Well, I have never been one to keep restating the ...Well, I have never been one to keep restating the obvious, obviously, But the outs are obviously obvious -- even to the oblivious. That would be your critics.<br /><br />I'll let you total up the pot for various individual odds but the simple ways for your hand is 3:1. You are behind but outs are obviously obvious -- 2K 10H for 12 outs. It obvious you used the obvious rule of 42, you with 48% on the turn and 24% on the river.<br /><br />It is obvious that you had to put in those last few chips with the pot offering you those odds with those outs, obviously. <br /><br />Well played sir. Your play should be considered obviously sound.KenPhttp://www.pokerperambulation.comnoreply@blogger.com