tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post6181991411319183989..comments2024-01-31T14:12:23.950-08:00Comments on Rob's Vegas and Poker Blog: The Dreaded Pocket.....Jacks?Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-28224522467097321682019-11-20T21:35:06.243-08:002019-11-20T21:35:06.243-08:00Well, he might have been running well for sure, bu...Well, he might have been running well for sure, but was definitely aggressive, and liked to bully people.<br /><br />There were people at the table that might have gotten me to lay down those Jacks preflop to a preflop I think. I mean there were definitely some players whose 3-bet range was QQ+ and maybe AK. Maybe on the AK. Against that range you are not in good shape with those Jacks. Of course with a reasonable three-bet it might be worth a call anyway. But this guy....I knew for sure at the very least I needed to see the flop.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-12245337200290657912019-11-20T21:30:53.455-08:002019-11-20T21:30:53.455-08:00Thanks, Lester. I didn't really want to go to...Thanks, Lester. I didn't really want to go to war with those damn fish hooks, but that was the hand I was dealt.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-45499078657353284382019-11-20T21:29:45.151-08:002019-11-20T21:29:45.151-08:00Great point, but honestly I have seen people go al...Great point, but honestly I have seen people go all in on a bluff. Happens more in a tournament than in a cash game, but I know I've seen it in a cash game. If they don't get called, they will show and wipe their forehead in relief. If they do get called, they usually leave embarrassed. But it is fairly rare.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-70680694388899353692019-11-20T14:45:53.657-08:002019-11-20T14:45:53.657-08:00I've had a session or two where a player appea...I've had a session or two where a player appeared to be betting/raising frequently and my instinct made me think he was an aggro. But after few hours, I realized the villain was catching an above avg amount of good starting hands and/or hitting flops.<br /><br />If you hadn't played with him before that session, could it be that he was catching a lot of good starting hands/hitting flops? You wrote that you never saw him show a bluff.<br /><br />That is the only reason I could come up with why you might want to fold pocket jacks. I'm not saying you misplayed the hand.Acehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02817046099646546543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-90962910711764169712019-11-20T07:41:10.567-08:002019-11-20T07:41:10.567-08:00When people go all in, I have never run up against...When people go all in, I have never run up against a stone cold bluff. Most people will try to bluff with a little bit bigger than a value bet. They want to show strength but also limit their loss if the other guy has a monster. I would never go all in as a bluff. You don't need to spend that much money to get a guy to lay down a weak hand. Makarschukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03846480318988233215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-73023011823956086592019-11-20T06:06:02.395-08:002019-11-20T06:06:02.395-08:00Consider that it cost you 1/3 of your stack to see...Consider that it cost you 1/3 of your stack to see the flop and up to that point all play was pretty standard and there were no moves you could make to change the outcome of the hand. Then you face an ALL-IN. Presenting the classic decision that I coin as "do I want to go to war on this hand?". Going to war means of course calling the ALL-IN. You only had $45-50 on top of your initial $300 buy-in so it's not like you were in a position where you were risking a $600 stack. You went to war and missed 6 outs. I would have done the same thing.Lesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01221409127717174351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-73313214946028636242019-11-19T20:34:36.644-08:002019-11-19T20:34:36.644-08:00You make a great point. In similar situations in t...You make a great point. In similar situations in the past, I have folded somewhere along the line and yes, it has absolutely driven me crazy wondering if I made a good fold or just let go of the best hand. That is maddening and maybe even more distracting than just taken the big loss as I did.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-51154777472552644462019-11-19T20:32:53.685-08:002019-11-19T20:32:53.685-08:00Thanks for the great analysis. Consider my read o...Thanks for the great analysis. Consider my read on his play, almost all the possibilities you considered were very possible.<br /><br />Glad to add your fine blog to my blogroll.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-33644423076506011792019-11-19T08:50:03.493-08:002019-11-19T08:50:03.493-08:00It is hard to get away from over pairs. But what...It is hard to get away from over pairs. But what is harder is limit your variance against a couple of aggros at your table. It was just bad luck you had the jack's and he had the king's. Also, sometimes it is nice to know what the other guy had and not spend the rest of the night wondering what if I had called. Makarschukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03846480318988233215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-17527920711254222462019-11-19T06:19:28.022-08:002019-11-19T06:19:28.022-08:00I think this is a damned if you do, damned if you ...I think this is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. <br /><br />It’s far too nitty to be folding Jacks preflop against this sort of player but you don’t really gain anything by 4 betting preflop apart from folding out all his bluffs. He’s calling with nearly all Ace-x hands and presumably shoving anyway given the situation. And what do you do to a shove? Probably a crying call hoping for an AK sort of hand. <br /><br />His downsized bet on the flop is either an overpair, set or nothing - which is obviously no help!! If it’s nothing then it’s an attempt to see a cheap turn if you don’t raise. If you minraise the flop then you’ve still got $170ish left and therefore could possibly fold if he shoves / raises, which given his hand I would have thought he would. But if he’s capable of shoving AK as a 3 bet bluff on the flop then you have to call anyway. <br /><br />But - is he a thinking sort of player? If he is then your UTG raising range has to be pretty snug and therefore his 3 bet should be only with top of the range hands as well. I’m guessing he’s not a thinking player though - him not liking your call on the turn suggests this - you’re probably not holding aces and you’d have snap called with a set or 2 pair and there are really no straight or maybe even 2 pair hands in your UTG range here so your hesitation in calling would suggest he’s ahead if he’s thinking about it properly. <br /><br />Not really much else you could have done - I would have been reaching for my wallet to rebuy as well!!<br /><br />Makes me wonder why I can’t think this lucidly at my own sessions - maybe beer is not the elixir I’d been led to believe 😂<br /><br />PS - thanks for including a link to my blog on your site - much appreciatedAyeCarambaPokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06507500031143618357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-85403499507394205522019-11-18T18:09:03.467-08:002019-11-18T18:09:03.467-08:00Thanks, Ed. That seems to be the consensus. Thanks, Ed. That seems to be the consensus. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-78952215046105211622019-11-18T18:08:07.250-08:002019-11-18T18:08:07.250-08:00Thanks, CB.Thanks, CB.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-13147633034323231412019-11-18T11:33:14.090-08:002019-11-18T11:33:14.090-08:00Hi Rob You did nothing wrong. You put a read on hi...Hi Rob You did nothing wrong. You put a read on him based on his aggressive play and he woke up with a real hand. It happens. You could have drawn out on him but the poker gods did not let it happen this time. On to the next hand.edh530https://www.blogger.com/profile/17350460500843652702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-81793700220308644932019-11-18T10:47:07.296-08:002019-11-18T10:47:07.296-08:00I agree with cb88. Nothing you could do. However, ...I agree with cb88. Nothing you could do. However, I do have a bone to pick with you about The Dreaded Pocket Kings. I got them Saturday and ran them into AA. Bah!lightning36https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641629003610446976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8283462864090963789.post-48157735364065120202019-11-18T08:58:44.323-08:002019-11-18T08:58:44.323-08:00Based on his play I would have either called, like...Based on his play I would have either called, like you did, or re-raised. After the flop, the hand play out like it should and nothing you can do. Better luck!!crazybitch88https://www.blogger.com/profile/14206817540655103197noreply@blogger.com