While
waiting, I started reading my Twitter feed on my celphone. I noticed that someone I followed was playing
in said charity tournament. I mean
someone other than Prudence and Jeanne.
In breaking with my usual pattern, I will use his real name, Dave, because I don’t yet have anything
embarrassing to say about him (and if I ever do, I can always give him a phony
name then—I’m thinking “David” if it comes to that).
Dave is my
fellow poker journalist (if I may so presumptuous as to refer to myself in that
manner). I knew him to be a friend of Stump’s, and that he wrote for Pokerati and Pokerfuse
and possibly other sites.
I’d been following his Twitter feed for some time and he was following
me, but we’d never met. I think I saw
him out of the corner of my eye at Green Valley Ranch, the night that this post took place, when he was talking
to Stump.
Anyway, while
I was waiting to be called to a game, I followed his tweets from the tournament
and then noticed he had busted out. I
think he tweeted that he was going to play cash at the same venue. So I went to look at his Twitter photo,
hoping I could recognize him if I saw him, in order to introduce myself. I even blew it up, so I had a better idea of
what he looked like.
Next thing I
know, I look up from where I’m sitting and see a reasonable facsimile of the photo
I was looking at standing very nearby.
He was talking to someone and I didn’t want to interrupt, but I was
pretty sure it was him and if I saw him alone I planned to go over to him and
say, “Excuse me, is this you?” and show him the picture I had
from his Twitter profile that was now up on my phone. Well, I thought it was clever, anyway.
But before I
could do that, I got called to a game at a new table they were opening. I hurried over there to see if I could secure
one of my preferred seats (in the center, across from the dealer). Lo and behold, I heard them page a “Dave” too
and he and I both ended up at the new table, and he took the seat directly to
my left. I was fumbling for my player’s
card and my buy in money, and then I was about to grab my phone and take it out
of sleep mode when he beat me to it.Somehow, he recognized me as well, and said to me, “Aren’t I following you on Twitter?” I laughed and said, “Yes, I believe you are. Dave, right? I’m Rob.” And we started going through all the connections we had. We had a very nice chat about our respective jobs and such before the game started.
The main
subject of this entry will be some of the unusual, and very bad play I saw at
this table that night. On the very first
hand of the table, Dave was dealt the dreaded pocket Kings. He won a small pot
with them—I don’t think anyone called his flop bet.
The very next
hand, the guy to my immediate right went all on in the flop—he was relatively
short stacked—a flop with an Ace on it.
The short stacked guy who shoved had called a preflop raise, and the
original preflop raiser snap-called the guy’s all in. He may have bet first on the flop, I don’t
recall. Anyway, come showdown, the guy
who shoved first, with a short stack, had pocket Aces. The other guy had
raised preflop with Ace-Queen.
Two things
here. One, the guy who won the hand with
pocket Aces did not three-bet preflop. That was my first indication that there
were some bad players at this table. It didn’t
cost him, but just smooth-calling there with your Aces strikes me as a horrible
play.
And then, I
couldn’t help noticing that the first two hands at this table, we had pocket
Kings followed by pocket Aces (and both held up). I commented, “Boy, only Aces and Kings are
good at this table. If you get anything
less than that, just throw it away.”
It also
occurred to me that those two hands hit the players directly on either side of
me. Was my turn next?
Yes. Yes, it was.
On the third hand of the table, I was dealt…..you guessed it…..the
dreaded pocket Kings. I could only hope a big starting hand like
that could hold up in this game three straight times. I was in one of the blinds, and after a bunch
of limpers, the guy to my right—the guy who didn’t three-bet with pocket Aces
the hand before—raised to $12.
I immediately
folded.
Just
kidding. I didn’t do that. Of course, I re-raised. I mean, what are the odds of the guy getting
dealt Aces back-to-back? Although, since
he hadn’t three-bet the hand before with Aces, I did consider the possibility
that he had Super Aces since he raised preflop this time.. With all the limpers money, I thought I needed
to raise big to not make it easy for everyone to come along, so I made it $40. It folded to one guy in the corner who
thought a bit and then called. Original
raiser to my right also called.
There was an
Ace on the flop, which I didn’t like at all.
Still, I made the continuation bet.
Sometimes when you have Kings and there’s an Ace on the flop, nobody has
an Ace. I had to see where I stood.
I put out $50
and the guy in the corner basically told me had an Ace. I don’t remember exactly how, but it was
something like, “Oh, you got two Aces?” I think it’s possible he followed that up
with, “I’ve got one,” but I’m not sure.
Maybe it was just the way he said the word “two” that made it pretty
obvious he had one in his hand. I think
the dealer made a low-key comment, warning him not to talk about the hand. It appeared calling was a tough decision for
him, but call he did. The original
preflop raiser folded.
I figured I
was done with the hand, but then I noticed that the guy who called only had a
few dollar chips left, no red chips.
Yeah, he must have only bought in for $100. He had less than $10 behind him, so if he was
gonna call, why he didn’t just put those few extra bucks in, I dunno. OK, now I do know. As I was learning, he was a terrible player
who had no business playing No Limit. In
fact, a short time later, his name was paged for the 2/4 game. That’s what he really wanted to play, and he
initially took the seat to kill time until a 2/4 seat opened up.
The flopped
was a second 7. I checked, though I
assumed he would put his last few chips in there. Of course, for the size of the pot, I would
call, even though I was convinced I was way behind. But if he didn’t want me to pay a few extra
bucks to see his Ace, I’d be happy with that.
But he
checked behind me As I was wondering if
he was gonna put his last few chips in on the river, an absolutely beautiful
King hit on the river. So unless he had
pocket Aces (which I would have bet the farm he didn’t have) or pocket 7’s (unlikely,
but not impossible), I was now good.
I bet out
$15, because I knew it was more than he had left. He called
I showed my boat and he flipped over Ace-10, not suited. Of course, he got very unlucky there, no
doubt about it. I had sucked out on him. On the other hand, what the hell was he doing
calling a preflop three-bet with Ace-10?
In that sense, he got what he deserved.
And thus I dragged a very nice
pot, on just the third hand of the table, and with the dreaded pocket kings!
There were
other bad players at the table. One guy
had pocket Aces twice, didn’t raise with them either time. Then a few hands later, he raised
preflop. I leaned over to Dave and said,
“Well, he doesn’t raise with Aces, what the hell does he raise with?” Turns out it was Ace-7 offsuit. Yeah, definitely a better hand to raise with
than AA!
But the
weirdest hand—and perhaps the dumbest play I’ve ever seen—belonged to the guy
to my right, the guy who didn’t 3-bet with pocket Aces on the second hand. Sometime later, I had pocket 6’s and a bunch
of us limped in, I think. I may have had
to call a small raise, but it’s not really important
A bunch of us
saw a flop of Ace-Ace-Ace. Yeah. Three Aces on the flop. Nobody bet, it checked around. I guess I should have bet my full house there
(?). The turn was yet another Ace, so
there are now quads on the board. Someone
bet out, and the guy to my right called.
The rest of us folded.
The river was
a low card. This time, the guy who bet
the turn checked. The guy next to me
checked also. Actually, he didn’t check,
he just turned over his hand, which was King-something. The something didn’t matter, he had the
nuts. He couldn’t possibly lose there,
the worst he could do was chop the pot if the first guy also had a King. Otherwise, he was good.
Dave and I looked at each other in disbelief. Dave said, “How could he not bet there?” Indeed. How could he not? He had an unbeatable hand. Of course, depending on what the other guy held, he might not have gotten a call, but still, he had to bet something to try to get some value for his hand. Actually, there was no reason for him not to raise on the turn. Apparently, he had no idea he had the best possible hand. I wonder if he would have folded if the other guy had bet?
After the big
hand I described, I was mostly unable to take advantage of the bad players
before they left, one by one. Then I
started feeling a little under the weather and left myself. I won some money, but with all the bad play I
saw, I felt like I should have won more.
thanks for posting ur blog OFTEN, and keeping it going just like me. Grump no longer does, and got quite a nasty attitude when i suggested he update his on twitter, and also by text
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome, Tony.
DeleteI miss Grump's blog too. There was talk of him turning it into a kitty blog. Not yet, anyway.
" I mean, what are the odds of the guy getting dealt Aces back-to-back?"
ReplyDeleteI can't tell if this is serious or tongue in cheek. Clue me in?
Tongue firmly in cheek, Grump. I don't think I've ever gotten rockets twice in a row, but I have gotten the same small pocket pair back-to-back, which is every bit as unlikely as getting Aces twice in a row. Just not as profitable .
DeleteMy decision there was not affected one bit by the fact that he had Aces the hand before. My only thought was that I had pocket Kings, a hand that has been so damn good to me throughout my poker experience.
Great to hear from you, Grump. You must be going thru poker withdrawal by now!
Good. Thought I was going to have to deliver a primer on probability and independent events.
ReplyDeleteNo withdrawal. I had tapered down so much that there wasn't a lot to withdraw from, and I've been so busy here getting settled.
Yeah, the phrase I remember from my craps-playing days applies here too. "Dice have no memory."
DeleteI see people check of just call with the nuts all the time in the 1-2 no limit game at my local casino. Heck I'll bet even if the nuts is on the board. I've had people fold to a bet before when there was an ace high straight on the board with no flush or full house possible. One nitty old guy bitched me out for it. "You're just wasting everyone's time by betting there. Everyone knows that's a chop."
ReplyDeleteI said, "No offense to you or anyone else, sir, but I have seen people fold to a bet there. I'm just giving my opponents a chance to make a mistake. Isn't that how you make money in this game...by exploiting the mistakes of your opponents?"
Thanks Jeff. Back in my 2/4 limit days, I would sometimes just call in those situations rather than raise, because it would take forever to bet $4 a time just to get to inevitable chop. But in NL, it's easy enough for one player to say :"all in": and the other to say "call" and you take back your bets and move on to the next hand.
DeleteNever underestimate the ability of people to do stupid things.
ReplyDeleteI resent that comment, Lightning.
DeleteOh wait, I guess you mean the guy who didn't bet on the river.