The other night at BSC I had the
misfortune of initially taking a seat right next to a guy who was stoned. Not just drunk, but stoned.
He smelled of weed. That’s according
to my pal Abe. I had never smelled weed before, so I wouldn't know. And he was practically in a
comatose state.
When I got to the table, sitting
immediately to his left, I noticed that it took him forever to make any
decision whatsoever. How long? Well, longer than it takes my readers to read
one of my blog posts (particularly the guy in the comment here,
who apparently needed 20 minutes to read that post about Kaley Cuoco).
He was slowing up the game big time
and at one point, one of the dealers actually asked him if he was awake when he
was waiting for him to act. I thought he
might have dozed off—or passed out—myself.
He said no, he was awake, he was just thinking. Most of these decisions involved small pots
and small bets. It wasn't like he was
tanking over a several hundred dollar decision.
Soon after I got there, he was in a
hand with one other player. It was a
decent sized pot, not huge. There was an
obvious straight on the board, let’s say there was a Jack, a 10 and an 8 out
there. No flush possible. There was also a 4, and the river card was a
second 4. He was in early position and
had been check/calling the entire way.
The action was on him. He was not (yet) facing a bet. He thought and thought and thought, and then
finally, after about a minute, asked the dealer, “I forget. Does three of a kind beat a straight?”
The dealer replied that he couldn't answer that question. The guy wanted to
know why not.
“Because there’s only one player to a
hand, sir.”
The guy was not at all happy about
that. He had a cell phone in his hand
whenever he wasn’t in a hand, and had put it down for now. So at this point he said, “What, I have to
Google it to find out? Ok….”
And with that, he picked up his phone
and started typing into. Presumably he
was going to type—if he was even capable of typing—“Hand rankings in poker” or
some such. Maybe he was actually going
to type, “Does three of a kind beat a straight?” Who knows?
The dealer said he couldn't do that
either and immediately called the floor.
The floor was nearby and the dealer said, “Can a player use his cell
phone to during a hand?”
The floor person said he could talk on
the phone but not text. In other words,
he couldn't use his phone to find out if trips beat a straight.
The guy bitched and moaned and said
why not. Then he said he just wanted to
know if three of a kind beat a straight, and the dealer wouldn't help him.
To my surprise, the floorperson said, “No,
three of a kind doesn't beat a straight.”
I was shocked, I was sure that the
dealer had been correct and that a dealer or a floor person couldn't help him
like that.
Anyway, the guy was disappointed,
groaned and then suddenly just mucked his cards.
I want to reiterate…..he was not
facing a bet at the time. He could have
checked and decided what to do if he faced a bet. But that was clearly too much for him to
comprehend in his current state.
The dealer pushed the pot to the other
player, who showed one card in his hand.
It was a 10. The guy had a pair
of 10’s, no straight. With that board,
he could not have had a straight with a 10 in his hand.
I don’t think the guy even saw that
the guy had shown a 10.
It was obvious that the guy had a 4
and mucked it when he realized that his trip 4’s couldn’t beat the straight
that the other player didn't have.
It was one of the weirder things I've seen at a poker table, to be sure. I was
reminded of the story I told here about the Crib Sheet. And in that post, I did mention other times players asking what beat what when facing a bet at a Vegas poker table. But it was worse
because of the guy being stoned, him trying to google the right answer, and
then his folding the best hand without even facing a bet!
I later asked the floor person about
it. He wasn’t clear about the rule and said
he would check if he had made the right call.
He never got back to me, leading me convinced he knew he had erred.
But it worked out for the guy who only
had a pair of 10’s and won a pot he probably should have lost.
Later, after Abe had the stoned guy
removed the table because of his religious beliefs, I told the story to all the
players at the table who had not seen it for themselves (including Abe, who I
had actually texted the story when I first saw him there). The player who won the pot was still there.
“Yeah, that was me in the hand with
him.” He said he was going to bet if the
guy hadn’t just mucked. But I’m not
clear if he meant he was going to bet after the guy had asked that question, of
he was going to bet in any case. Big
difference. Once that guy asks the
question, making it clear he’s worried about the straight, it’s pretty easy to
try to bluff there. Otherwise, I’m not
sure..
Anyway, there’s a lot more from this
night that will eventually be blogged about.
This stoner guy had a hand in me losing a big pot—very indirectly. And I
will eventually have to explain the strange reference I made a few paragraphs
ago to this guy’s religious beliefs and how Abe had him moved because of
them. Heh heh. That’s a teaser, folks.
But that’s all for now. I don’t want to take another 20 minutes out
of that commenter’s life that he’ll never have back. I’m such a giver.
You're too busy having lots of fun Rob, making promise after promise about what you're going to eventually blog about... ;) Happy New Year!
ReplyDeleteSame to you, Coach. Yeah, it's hard to sit in the room and type blog posts when all those Vegas poker rooms are calling me. When I get home, I need to lock myself in a room for about two weeks, no work, no distractions, and just write blog posts.
DeleteHow could you live in California and never have smelled pot?
ReplyDeleteWell, either I've lived a very sheltered life, Lightning.....or I was joking.
DeleteOhhhhhhh ... :-) Now waiting for the latest escapades of Rob, the Mad Toker.
DeleteThat ain't happening!
Deleteweed is good
DeleteSo, anger...I guess it was you I saw on the news, the first person to buy pot legally in Colorado?
Deletelmao. the last shall b 1st and the 1st shall b last
DeleteAnd yet TBC cannot find any games in Vegas that isn't filled with regs.....seems you and Grump always find (found) enough to fill blog after blog about them. Of course you both had more than what, 3 places to play in Vegas?
ReplyDeletePlenty of games in Vegas that aren't all regs, Ithchy. Although you do find a few in most every game and it is important to identify them early.
ReplyDeletethere were more non-regs years ago when grump was still here--and i consider european tourists regs--since they play regularly back home, same for most out of towners. Rob just dont realize most of the people he dont count as regs--are regs in disguise.
ReplyDeleteLMAO.yeah they wear fake mustaches,so u cant tell they r regs
DeleteLMAO. they wear masks like the x presidents from the movie POINT BREAK. they r sneaky. what a dope
DeleteTony, whatever you call them, you can assume that all visitors to Vegas are bad players, that's definitely true. Some "tourists" are good players who crush games online or wherever they come from, Europe or in parts of the US where poker is readily available.
DeleteThen too, not all "regs" are that great either.
But you should always be able to find a game with a few bad players.
i have a question does a pair of AA beat a pair of KK
ReplyDeleteWell, anger....if I'm the one holding KK, pretty much any other hand beats it. :)
DeleteAnd If I'm holding KK against Rob, I usually win the hand...lol
DeleteYes. Nick....but so does everyone else against me!
DeleteHeh heh. Pretty sure he was drinking beer.
ReplyDeleteI think the floor was fine to answer his question. Some poker rooms hand out hand-ranking cards for novices to use, and it's perfectly legal to use them at the table. I think the dealer is OK to answer that question, just as the dealer can answer when the player asks what his options are (check, bet, raise, fold, etc), or whose turn it is, or what the bet is, or what the flop cards are (for a visually impaired player). Those are all examples of information that is just out there, freely available to everyone, and it doesn't really matter whether a player acquires those bits of information by experience, by another player filling him in, by the dealer answering a question, or by consulting a hand-ranking list in card form. (In principle, I wouldn't object to a player consulting a web site for the same information, but in practice, it's much harder to police that and assure everyone that he is not going beyond that to getting advice on how to play some specific situation either from a web site or from texting a friend.)
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, even if it were technically a rule violation for somebody to answer that question for him, I'd turn a blind eye to it for pragmatic reasons--because somebody that needs to have that answered is somebody I want to keep in the game and happy as a clam, having the most awesomely fun time he can have, without being shut down or annoyed with technicalities.
One of the best times I've had at a poker table was the time at the Stratosphere that we had a player who knew literally nothing about poker, and had to always be told what his options were. He didn't know hand rankings, so he was entirely dependent on the dealer to tell him whether he had won or lost the pot. But he was having a lot of fun, and it was fun to watch him beat much more experienced players. See http://pokergrump.blogspot.com/2010/04/beware-newbie.html.
Thanks, Grump. I think you're right, but until this incident, I think every time I've heard someone ask that question, the dealer always told them they couldn't answer. The exception might have been the very first time I heard it, I'm not sure.
DeleteSo I did check back with the shift supervisor and he said that in fact, they "have" to answer the question, it's not only ok but it is the correct thing to do. I told him he needed to clarify that with the dealers.
Great old post of yours that you linked. Very fun read.
I thought the grinders in Las Vegas wanted the tourists and gamblers who are drunk to play against. I am sure he slowed the game down but if you can not beat these players who are you going to be able to beat???? I mean if he does not know hand rankings that should be a big edge. Of course I have seen these guys get hot and crush a game also.
ReplyDeleteEd, ordinarily you would be right, this is the kind of player you'd want to stay forever. However, he was playing so s-l-o-w-l-y that we were actually getting half as many hands to play as normal. It was just maddening. It was worse than in a tournament when they go hand-for-hand.
DeleteIt was just too extreme. When there's only four hands dealt an hour, it's hard to win anything even from a donkey.
Very interesting and entertaining post. (as always) ... when you speak of "It was a decent sized pot..." I assume you aren't referencing the maryjane. hehe
ReplyDeleteThanks, LM. Heh heh.....I didn't see the double entendre when I wrote the post. Otherwise I could have titled this, "He had too much pot to win the pot." OR...."He passed on the pot, but not on the pot."
DeleteThat reminds me of a great line from a short story I read a few years ago. Guy gets murdered (by poison) while playing poker, leaving a large pile of chips in front of him. Story says, "Mr. Beckman had not cashed in his chips because he had cashed in his chips."
DeleteSee http://pokergrump.blogspot.com/2009/04/dead-mans-hand-review-part-4.html
Yeah, that is a great line! Thanks, Grump.
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