In case you hadn't heard, The Westgate
opened a new poker room last month. Or,
perhaps it would be more accurate to say that they re-opened their poker
open, since they had a poker room and closed it a couple of years ago. This was
kind of a surprise development, as mostly all you hear about these days is
poker rooms closing in Vegas.
Well, it turned out that when
management at the Westgate decided to get back in the poker biz, they called my
bosses and colleagues over at PokerAtlas and
asked them to set up our TableCaptain poker room management software in the new room.
It was actually up and running before the room opened.
That was pretty cool. This is the first Vegas room to use our
software. You might recall that I
mentioned that the Bike also uses that software, so I had seen it action a few
times before. That meant that before
going over there, on the first Saturday I was in Vegas this month, I checked on
the PokerAtlas app and saw that they had a 1/2 game running with a small
waitlist. You can actually open the
waitlist on the app and see the names on it.
So if you're on the list, you can check to see how close you are to
getting called into a game. Sweet,
huh? You can also access all this
information (including tournament clocks) on the PokerAtlas website too.
Once I saw they had a game going, I
headed over that afternoon. It was
definitely on my to-do list for this to check out the newest room in town this
trip.
I think the room is in the same
location it was when it closed a couple of years ago—a location I never
saw. It was more-or-less part of the
main casino last time I played there.
But I had heard they moved it over into the Sports Book (or adjacent to
it) before they closed it down. And now,
the room is in the SuperBook (which is what they call the sports book over at
Westgate, I believe it's the biggest in town), or at least across from it, near
a snack bar. The room has six tables and
is pretty nice for a small room. It is
roomy, that's really nice. The tables
are not jammed together. But the one
minor issue I have is that the games are 10-handed. I suppose for a small room just trying to
build a clientele that's understandable.
They will have trouble getting multiple games going until they get established.
And before you ask—yes, they still
offer free parking over at the Westgate.
At least for now.
They are offering a lot of games—limit
hold'em, limit Omaha, PLO—but from what I've seen on the app they are getting
1/2 NL almost exclusively (as you would expect).
The location in the sports book is
both good and bad. It's good when there
are lots of sports on and the book is hopping. But late in the evening when
there's not much going on in the sports world—even on the West Coast—there
won't be much foot traffic near the room to draw from.
And the location of the casino itself
is hardly ideal. They will have to get
some local grinders to leave their favorite rooms and give it a try. There of
course will be plenty of tourists and convention goers staying at the Westgate
to draw from. But without the regs to
get the games going, it will be a struggle.
But they just opened and the word hasn't really gotten out yet.
The Saturday I was there was actually
the first Saturday of the college football season. So of course the sports book was jam
packed. When I got to the poker room
there was one 1/2 game going and an single open seat, which I grabbed. The
buy-in was $50 min - $200 max. According
to the board, they also offer the same game with a $100 min - $300 Max. Obviously
they're experimenting to see what works best for them. I didn't recognize any
of the players. I also didn't recognize
any of the dealers, who were all first-rate.
It was a loose game, there weren't a lot of quality players at the table.
I didn't get the impression that most of the folks at the table played poker
all that regularly. I figured that one
or two of them were locals and the rest were tourists or maybe mostly sports
bettors who wandered in from the SuperBook.
I only took notes on two hands, but
both were favorable. I was the big blind
with Jack-9 of hearts. By this time I
had lost about $60 of my $200 buy-in,
not winning a hand. I flopped the flush
draw, with the Ace of hearts on the flop.
I called $10. I think it was three-way.
The turn was the Queen of hearts, giving me the second nuts. This time I led out for $25. The guy who bet the flop called, the other
guy folded. The river was a blank and I
bet $40. He tanked forever and finally
called. He showed two pair and I had a
decent pot.
Later I had pocket Jacks and opened to
$10 and had two callers. The flop was
Ace-10-6, rainbow. The big blind donked
out $15 and I called, the other guy also called. Yeah, the Ace was a bad card for me. But honestly with the level of play I had
seen in this game I couldn't rule out the possibility that he was donk-betting
with just a pair of 10's or even 6's. It
seemed cheap enough to see what happened on the turn.
And lucky me, the turn was the Jack of
hearts, the second heart on the board but more importantly giving me a set of
Jacks. Same guy bet $20. I thought for a bit and then made it
$50. What happened next was apparently
the key to the hand. There was a player
behind me who the action was on. But
before he had a chance to act, the first guy saw my bet and asked, "How
much is it? $50? I call."
The dealer told him to hold up, the action wasn't on him. So now it was on the third guy, who had just
barely $50 in his stack. He counted his
chips, tanked for quite a while and then said, "Well, since I know you're
gonna call (referring to the player who
had called out of turn), I'll fold."
The other guy indeed called and it was heads up to the river.
That river was the King of diamonds,
not exactly a card I was hoping for.
There was now four to a straight on there. And this time the guy led out for $50. Oh crap, did he have a damn Queen? There were all kinds of Queens in his
range...pocket Queens, Ace-Queen, Queen-10, Queen Elizabeth. You name it.
I started to think of that classic
line from the TV commercial, I think it goes something like, "I don't always fold a set of Jacks, but
when I do, there's four to a straight on the board."
But the thing was, he was a loose
enough (and bad enough) player to have all kinds of things in his range. Ace-X, 10-X, who knows. I figured he must have at least two pair but I
could beat that. I didn't like it but I
made the crying call.
And he said, "I just have an
Ace." Whew! I showed my set and he showed the Ace with a
low card. Not even two pair. Not even a good kicker. I was happy to take the pot.
After I stacked my chips, I suddenly
remembered the third guy saying that he folded because he knew the other guy
was gonna call. Well, my curiosity was
aroused. So I said, "That hand
where you folded because you know the other guy was going to call....would you
mind telling me what you had?"
He said, "Well, I would have had
a straight." Holy crap. I said, "You would have won if you
stayed in?" He said yes. "But it was for almost all my
chips." Hmmm.
Of course, at the time he said it was
because he knew the other guy was gonna call.
At the time, that sounded like, "Well, at least one of you has me
beat." But if he was on a
draw....well that is very different. On
the turn, we both had him beat. But if
he hits his straight (as he apparently would have) he'd beat us both. The only way that fold makes sense to me (and
not really) is if he figured that one of us was drawing to the same straight
and if he hit it he'd split the pot.
Then he wouldn't have had good odds to call. But the fact that the other guy was going to
call actually gave him good odds to call, right?
It seems I got real lucky there
running into two pretty weak players who accidentally colluded to give me the
pot!
Now that I've written this up, I
realize I should have played a lot more poker at the Westgate this trip, but as
it happens, I never had a chance to return.
I left after a couple of hours with
$110 profit. And I'm happy to report
there was about a four person waiting list when I cashed out.
Nice little room they have there. I hope it makes a go of it.
That's is exactly the location it was previously. And good. Red they have reopened it. But like everything else over there recently how long will it actually be open. They seem to be just throwing stuff around and seeing what sticks. See their shows and restaurants !!
ReplyDeleteEverything in Vegas is temporary, Ben, that's for sure. I heard (third-hand) that they were getting requests from some of their regular visitors asking for a poker room. I think they can make a profit from a small room that isn't overwhelmingly busy but whether they decide that it's making enough money to please the suits remains to be seen.
DeleteHello? How about room comps? Or do I have to go to Poker Atlas for that?
ReplyDeleteYeah, you can go to PokerAtlast for that. But since you're clearly too lazy to go there, here's the whole comps/promos for them:
Delete"$1/hour comp rate ($2.hour 10am-4pm Monday -Friday). Aces cracked $50. High hand bonuses: Quads $50 ($200 if flopped), Straight Flushes $200 ($300 if flopped), Royal Flush $250 ($500 if flopped). No Rake Daily Special (1st game daily will take no rake for first 2 hours). Football Promo: High Hand of the Quarter, $50, progressive rolls over to next quarter if not hit."
Well, why didn't you say it was the OLD, Hilton?
ReplyDeleteOr the OLD, old, INTERNATIONAL! Circa 1969.
You left out that after the Hilton and before the Westgate, it was the LVH.
DeleteI think we are going to hit the super book for college football in a few weeks – I think I'll get a session in over there at poker.
ReplyDeleteSounds like fun. Run good!
DeleteI'm still curious why NL players think 9-handed is better than 10-handed. Seems to me that it gives you one more late position hand to play each orbit and one more hand to play overall without having to pay a blind. Plus, in rooms with cup holders in the rail, it seems typical to have 10, so in 9-handed games, no players except seats 1 and 9 actually have cup holders in front of them.
ReplyDeleteBTW, unless Jon came to his senses, demanding personal info to be able to see room info in the Table Captain app is still a poor user experience and keeps people from using the app, which drives fewer people to the rooms that use it.