Thursday, June 21, 2018

Bad Beat Story

Well my most recent cash session (as I write this) had an ugly finish.  My previous two cash sessions here in Vegas were both slightly profitable (after a rough start), and it appeared I might have a chance to make it three in a row after I started running well at Caesars Tuesday night.

With Ace-2 off in one of the blinds, I won a small pot when the flop came Queen-Jack-Ten and the turn was a King.

I limped with Queen-9, flopped a Queen, turned a Queen, rivered a 9 but didn't get my river bet called.

Limped with 5-6 of hearts and flopped an open-ender and rivered a straight (again, no call on the river).  

I didn't bet the river when I hit my flush with 8-7 of hearts.  The turn had paired the board (Jacks) and with a baby flush I wasn't sure I was good.  But I was.  

Then I got pocket Aces, and I was thinking man, I'm really running good tonite.  But when I raised to $12 after one limper, I wasn't thrilled to get called by five players.  But I sure did like the flop, Ace-6-5, two clubs.  I bet $45 and it looked like it was going to go uncalled, until the fellow on my right, the original limper, called.

This guy was away from the table when I arrived, and in fact had just returned.  He'd only been there for one or two hands before this one, so I had no idea what kind of player he was.

The 4 on the turn was not a club, and sure, I thought a straight was possible, but it seemed unlikely.  He checked again and this time I put out $80.  He didn't take too long to say "all-in."  He had me covered, and I had a bit more than my original $200 buy-in for this 1/2 game.  

At that point I felt a little ill but even if he did have the straight, I still had 10 outs to improve.  I wasn't going to fold a set of Aces.  I snap called and he turned over 8-7 of clubs for the straight.  I needed help and the Queen of hearts on the river wasn't it.

So much for my mini run-good.  I took it as a sign and called it an early night.

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  1. Unfortunately, I think the poker gods have figured out that we are friends and are now torturing me with The Dreaded Pocket Kings. Thanks a lot, buddy.

    1. For the sake of your poker Karma, I declare our friendship over.

  2. Welcome back Rob! Missing your posts!


    1. Thanks very much Kenny! Appreciate it.

    2. I thought a bad beat was when a player was strong favourite when the money went in, but lost because the opponent got lucky with the community-card(s) that followed.

      You were behind when the money went in and remained behind. Indeed, your opponent would have been unlucky if you had hit one of your ten outs. It would have been a less-than-one-in-four chance which, had it happened, he could have viewed as a 'bad beat'.

      As per usual, I base any pretence of expertise on my years reading Grump's blog. I feel the bad line in the write-up was, "I wasn't going to fold a set of Aces." A set of aces is worth zilch if they are in second place. It was not that unlikely one of five players stayed in with a straight-draw which had been completed by the turn, and you had to ask yourself, "What else was he going to go all-in with?" You did not know the player to put him on a bluff (with maybe a flush-draw).

      It would have been a brave fold. It would have stung to never know if the aces were good, and you might have thrown away the substantial money you had already put in. However, it is the great folds that make great players. Refusing to give up on great cards that had very possibly turned into ashes was the wrong decision.

    3. Let's see....I was ahead preflop, with the best possible hand. I was WAY ahead on the flop, with the stone cold nuts (at the time). To lose then, to me, is a bad beat. Perhaps it can only be called a cooler. But I call it a bad beat.

      I suppose I should have checked the turn, seeing the straight was possible. I was concerned about the flush, and didn't want to give a free card. Once I bet the turn, I had over half my stack invested, and I was actually getting a decent price to chase the boat, and of course I still wasn't convinced I was behind (a semi-bluff with the flush draw, or even better, an under-set, was still possible). I suppose I should have made it more clear that the money already in affected my decision, not just "I wasn't going to fold a set of Aces."

      A check-fold on that turn may have been a good play on the turn, but once I put the $80 in there, I was committed.

      But maybe you're just a much better player than I am.

    4. Actually I talked about "when" a suckout becomes a suckout before. I didn't use the term bad beat but its basically the same thing. I was consistent. If the turn or the river does you in, it's a suckout.


  3. i have this problem with comments, is it only happening to me and u or does lightning have this issue too?

    1. Lightning just told me he NEVER got emails, he didn't select that option. So no change for him.

      We're all Lightning now.

  4. You were behind when you went all-in. If you call that a bad beat, I disagree. You had only committed about a quarter of your stack when ahead, and the rest behind.

    If he had a low pair, I think he might have limped and then maybe folded before the flop with too many others in the hand. If not, I think he would not have gone all-in with a set knowing he would probably only get a call if you had better. With your betting, you looked strong, and he was probably only going to scare you off if you had something he could beat with a set anyway.

    Why did you snap call? You said you "felt a little ill". Why deny yourself thinking time, to think what he might go all-in with, and what he might put you on?

    1. The SPR was slightly less than 3, so I'm trying to get all the money in if I can. If I thought I could have gotten a flop shove called, I would have shoved. With that SPR, I'd have wanted to get all on the flop with just an overpair, let alone top set.

  5. Hi,

    Sorry for the terminology, but THIS IS NOT A BAD BEAT!
    A bad beat is what sebszebra described.
    What you experienced is a COOLER: you had a strong hand, the other guy had the one just above. If you were the guy with 78, you would not say you badbeated the guy with AA.
    btw your "stone cold nuts" on the flop, were basically around 60/40 against 78 of clubs on Ac5c6x (2% less if it was 5c and 6c, a bit more if you had the Ac in your hand). And your opponent was totally right to call 45$ in a 72$ pot with is 40% equity. Your 45$ bet in a 72$ pot with the nuts against multiple opponents and possible draws is EV-, especially if you decided to commit yourself on (basically) any turn.
    my 2cts


    1. So now I've already got the title of the re-post when I post this one again in five years. "(Not a) Bad Beat Story."