Wednesday, September 26, 2018

"You Had the Best Hand"

Damn.  This is one post I really wish I'd been able to write while I was still in Vegas.  I really wanted to get this one posted while all the Vegas summer series were still running.  But I had difficulty finding the time to write anything when I was up in Vegas this summer.  I guess I would have been more eager to write this up if I had done better in the tournament.  But as with all my tournament action in June, this one was a dud. 

The main reason I wanted to write this up at the time was to talk about the venue I played, which currently no longer exists.  I wanted to tell you about the temporary tournament venue that the Venetian had this summer.  Of course it's gone now, so maybe this post is completely irrelevant.  But I suspect that they will use the same venue next year (or a modified version of it) so if you're thinking of hitting Vegas next summer, bookmark this post.

Anyway, rather than just add some tables near the poker room for their big Deepstack Championship Poker Series (that's what they called it this year), the Venetian took an entire huge conference room in their Convention Center.  And it was quite a setup.

For a temporary venue, it was unbelievably comfortable and player friendly.  They had over 100 tables there, and amazingly, all of them had automatic shufflers. When I heard about the auto shufflers, I couldn't believe it.  I've never seen temporary tables have auto shufflers before.  And over 100?  Impressive to be sure.

The tables were well spaced, not cramped at all (you know I hate cramped seating). The chairs, though not adjustable, were quite comfortable (which can't always be said for a temporary venue).  And the lighting was great.  Now I heard a few complaints that it was too bright, but I sure didn't feel that way.  There was a nice stage area for final tables, which was not being used while I was there.  The tables didn't have chargers, but there were work benches and charging stations around the periphery.  There was also a huge, comfortable eating area, five different food "stations."  I believe they rotated the kind of food regularly.  When I was there, there was a hot dog place, a BBQ place, a spaghetti place, an Asian place and a salad place.  All of these places really only had one item for sale each, so not a big selection.  I suspect that this is exactly the kind of food available there when they have a more traditional convention in the hall. 

One small issue was that there seemed to be only one set of restrooms for this huge place, which were both relatively small, and which were far away from the tournament area (again, the place was really big).  You kind of had to try to use the restroom during the tournament or the line would have been too long during the breaks.  And again, it was a big hike from some of the tables. 

The one complaint I did hear from others who played there was the walk to the actual venue. It was a long walk from the casino.  Unfortunately it wasn't close to the parking garage either.  No way to avoid the long walk unless someone dropped you off right outside the convention center.  It's actually located right on Sands Ave so if you could get a lift there it would be pretty nice.  But no place to park there—not sure if Uber would drop you off right there.  But now that I think of it, if they have same set up next year and I play an event there, I might consider using Uber instead of driving over, could save a lot of steps.

Anyway, the event I played there one Thursday evening was the $400 Nightstack, which I discussed at length in my summer preview (here). That was the Venetian's version of the WSOP's Giant.  They had a bunch of flights leading to a day 2 on July 1.  The flight I played had 177 players, so 18 were in the money and 9 advanced to day 2.  For all the flights they had a total of 2,570 players and there was an overlay of $126K to make the $1MM guarantee.

As for the tournament itself, not much to say.  As usual, I was card dead.  I didn't make it past level 9.  I'm just gonna mention my last hand, not because it is so interesting but because of a comment I heard after I busted. 

Desperate, I looked down at Ace-10 off.  A woman who had just moved to our table had limped in.  If she had raised, I likely would have folded.  But since she only limped, in my situation, with no one else yet in the pot, shoving was the obvious play.  It folded back to her and she called with pocket 7's.  Not bad, really.  At least I wasn't dominated.  A coin flip is pretty much what I'm hoping for there.  The flop was all low cards, 6-5-3.  It was looking bad for me but the turn card was a beautiful Ace and I was in great shape.  But then the river card was a 4, which miraculously filled in her gut shot and ended my tournament.  Well that's poker, right?

Now there were some oohs and ahhs when the 4 hit.  Maybe there was some reaction from the table when the Ace hit before that.  But after the 4 hit and the dealer announced her straight as the winning hand, I heard another player say to her, "Well, that's good because you had the best hand."  Like she deserved to win.  I didn't say anything as I slunk away but come on….I had the best hand before that.  I had the best hand on the turn, right?  OK, it's true, before the flop she had the best hand—but barely.  I mean they don't call it a coin flip for nothing.  She was only a 55/45 favorite, it's not like she had me crushed.

You know, I could see someone saying that if I had Kings and she had Aces, then I hit my King and she rivered an Ace.  Yeah I was supposed to lose that (I'm always supposed to lose with Kings) and in the end, justice would have prevailed. But in this case, I wasn't a big underdog to start out, then was an 86% favorite to hold on the turn.  And she hit her six-outer.

I'm not saying I was really upset by that comment, it just made me wonder if the person who said it really understood poker. Now maybe they said it cuz they were happy that I busted and they were one player closer to the money. Or they were just trying to be nice to the lady who won.  But how about showing some sympathy for me, huh?  I lost when I was a 85% favorite.

Oh well, another bad tournament run for me in Vegas this summer.  I took the long walk back to my car and called it a night.

Still, I really did like the Venetian tournament venue this year, and look forward to seeing it again next year.  Maybe next time I'll have a better run.


17 comments:

  1. Nice vintage shot of Sophia!

    The guy was busting your chops. You should have put a hex on him as you left the table.

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  2. Its funny that you got your money in as a slight dog, but seem to think that because you got lucky on the turn that you should have won.

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    1. I said I was an 85/15 favorite on the turn. Can't you read?

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  3. “It’s a long walk.” I hear this all the time from poker players in Vegas. This might be the laziest group of people I’ve ever met. “The parking garage to the poker room is too far.” “The front door to the poker room is too far.” “There’s games next door but it’s such a long walk.”


    Good grief! If you don’t have a disability, everything from Encore to MGM is walkable. Even if you’re tired or want minimal time outside, everything on a given property and its neighboring properties is walkable. I just don’t get all the kvetching from poker players about having to walk from a parking garage or front door to someplace on a property.

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    1. Grange, I believe you left a very similar comment on one of my many posts about paying for parking. I have chronic back issues myself, but have you seen most poker players? They are fat and lazy. Also, I would tend to agree if they are physical able, the walk would be good for them.

      Anyway, your comments are to be taken lightly, because you are a runner. And as we know, #RunningIsStupid.

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  4. Im just saying you got your money in as a slight dog. She got no luckier on the river then you got on the turn. You had to get lucky 1st. Assuming you had about 10bb when you shoved pre, standard. The guy just stated the obviuos, the best hand won. The way you act, its as if she sucked out on you. When all the chips went in she had a slightly better hand, so it is not possible for her to suck out on you.

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  5. Hi Rob It happens to me all the time when I am 85% to win a hand in tournament poker. I am finding out to advance deep in most tournaments your second best hands have to suck out and your 85% hands have to hold up. I find for me its not my skill level that is holding me back. Its my luck level. What are you going to do?? You never know when you are going to cash. Maybe I will give up and just play cash games period. Then I can go to the bathroom or eat whenever I want.

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    1. Thanks, Ed.

      You can lose those 85% hands in cash games too.

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    2. But you will win %85 of those hands in cash games. I played in Vegas recently and had a run of five days where I averaged better than a double up for each session which was about 4 hours continuous play. Seems like cash games are more profitable.

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    3. Sounds like you had a great run, congrats.

      There are definitely pros and cons to cash games vs tournaments. Much more variance in tourneys.

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    4. For me the big difference is you get into "shove or death by a thousand cuts" scenarios. It was a solid run but I didn't get a lot of premium hands. Also, I caught some guy bluffing a few times. A little luck can be better than the big swings like you get when you push a premium hand and find out you have second nuts.

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  6. Maybe instead of throwing your hand in the air, you might try throwing chips. Might get away with it as you aged . Hahaha

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    1. Throw chips??? No way I'm giving my money away!

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  7. In a cash game, you can't get past the flop. Running the cards out is all luck. When the poker was played, you got it in slightly as a dog...looking for a flip, which is about the best scenario for AT. You what you wanted. The run out is something you have to be able to live with. Perhaps you could put yourself in the other players position and consider their thought process....BTW, that is what poker players do.

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