As those of you who follow me on
Twitter (or follow my Facebook page) know, I’m currently in Vegas. I arrived here last Thursday and will be
staying through the weekend, returning Monday, right before the election. Now, I’m not one of those people who says, “Please
vote,’ or ‘Everyone should vote.” To be
perfectly honest, if you aren’t going to vote the right way, I don’t want you
to vote. Why should I want people who
are wrong voting and canceling out my vote?
However, in keeping with my policy of keeping politics off this blog, I won’t
reveal what I believe know the right way to vote is, so, the point
really is….you won’t get any pressure to vote from me.
I have gathered much new blogging material here in Vegas thus far; I just need time to write the posts, which will mostly have to wait until I get back home. But for now…..
I have gathered much new blogging material here in Vegas thus far; I just need time to write the posts, which will mostly have to wait until I get back home. But for now…..
I was playing at MGM this past Monday
night when a new player took the open seat at my table. I’d never seen him before, but I did a
double-take. This guy looked remarkably
like Pete Peters. I
mean, he really, really looked like him.
He was wearing a baseball cap (the right way) and I can easily imagine
PPP wearing a baseball cap, being the huge baseball fan that he is. He did have a goatee, however, unlike
Pete. Other than that, he could have been
Pete Peters.
Except that, unlike PPP, he was an
asshole. That became evident
immediately. He took the position two to
the left of the big blind. The dealer
dealt him a card,, and then another card, and when another player raised, he
told the dealer, “I said I wanted to come in behind the button.”
Now, at almost any poker room in Vegas
(the Bellagio is the only exception I know of), you don’t have to post the
blind when you first come to the table. You are allowed to wait for the button
to pass and come in for ‘free” behind the button (in the cut-off seat). Some people do this all the time, others do
it depending on how close they are to the button. But a lot of people take the big blind right
away even though they are allowed to take almost an entire orbit for free
instead of posting. It’s all up to the
player.
The dealer said he didn’t hear him say
that. No one else had either. The PPP-look alike insisted he had said
it. The issue was that, since he was
dealt a hand, he would have to post the big blind and then the small hand after
one more hand had been dealt.
The dealer was a daytime dealer who
was working overtime and perhaps extra tired.
Still, I sure didn’t hear the guy say he wanted to come in behind the
button (although I was far away and may have missed it). However, the dealer very politely pointed out
that he had accepted the first card. He
could have told the dealer instantly when he got the first card he wanted to
come in behind and the dealer would have slid the card over to the next player.
The player said nothing until the hand was completely dealt.
Now, despite the fact that player had
ample opportunity to correct the dealer’s “mistake,” the dealer, a good guy to
be sure, said to the player, “No problem, sir, I’m sorry, and I’ll post the blind
for you.” After one more hand, when it
was new player’s turn to be the big blind, the dealer took two $1 chips out of
his shirt pocket and placed them in front of the player to pay his blind.
The player refused to let the dealer
post the big blind for him, saying it was no big deal and that he’d pay his own
blind. And so he put his own chips there.
At first the dealer insisted, pushed the player’s own chips back to him
and said he would feel better if he paid the blind. But the dealer said no, he wouldn’t feel
right if the dealer had to post the blind for him, so finally, the dealer took
back his two dollar chips and dealt the hand.
That should have been the end of it,
but it wasn’t. Again someone raised and
the player in question folded. And then
he proceeded to bitch about the blind again.
He said to the dealer, “You should have asked me if I wanted to be dealt
in.”
The dealer apologized again, but
reminded him again that he accepted the first card (both cards, really). And the player muttered some more under his
breath and seemed quite pissed.
Well, some dealers always ask the
player and some don’t. And it depends on
where the button is. If the player would
be under the gun, they’ll usually ask.
And if a player says he wants to wait (without being asked), all the
dealers will tell the player they don’t have to post to come in, and then
usually they do take a hand (I guess a lot of rooms outside of Vegas make you
post).
Actually, the dealer had good reason
to assume the player would want to be dealt in right away. This took place during the middle of the
Monday Night Football game, when the room runs its NFL promo. I’ve written about this promo before. During
the Monday night game (also now Thursday night and a game Sunday afternoon),
every time a team scores, a random seat is selected and that player gets to pick
a prize of between $100 and $500.
In order to be eligible to be
selected, you have to be active in the game and not in “lobby status.” The dealer is supposed to put a player in
lobby status as soon as they are not dealt a hand. If a player gets up from the table and misses
a hand, they will be in lobby status and not eligible for the drawing. This means you have to time your bathroom
breaks carefully. You don’t want to be
in the restroom when a team scores. And
of course, a player is in lobby status when they first come to the table until
they are dealt their very first hand. So
if you playing in the room during the football promo, it’s really dumb to try
to save a few dollars on the blinds and risk being ineligible for the drawing
that could be worth as much as $500.
Well that didn’t come into play while
the player was bitching about not being allowed to come in behind the
button. This was a pathetically
low-scoring game (Washington-Dallas) and no one scored during this time.
The player stayed there for awhile,
and eventually there was actually some scoring.
Note: to save you suspense, at no time was your humble blogger ever
selected for a prize on this nite.
But while the same dealer was still at
our table, the PPP-look alike had the misfortunate of losing an “all-in”. He got up from the table without saying a
word. But in the football game, someone
had just scored. The shift manager made
the announcement that he always makes, which is to remind the dealers to make
sure they have put players who have missed a hand into lobby status, so that
the Bravo random seat selector program won’t select a seat that is empty or in
lobby status and thus ineligible for the prize.
The trouble was, the dealer was in the
process of dealing a new hand. And as he
was dealing he noticed that the PPP-look alike was missing. He didn’t stop dealing to put the guy in
lobby status; he of course waited until he dealt all the cards to push the
button to take the player out of the game.
And in that few seconds of delay,
guess what table/seat was picked by the random seat selector?
Yes, you guessed it. It was the PPP-look alike, the guy who had
given this very same dealer such a hard time about dealing him too early. Suddenly, the jerk who had left returned to
the table, saying he just left to get more chips, and that he won the
prize. Nope, the dealer said sorry, no
dice. The player said he was dealt in
that hand, but of course he wasn’t….he had no chips (or a seat). The player whined and pissed and moaned, but
took off.
The dealer actually got in a bit of
trouble for not removing the player from the game fast enough so that the
program didn’t select him—that’s not supposed to happen. But the dealer explained that the player left
just too fast and just exactly as the manager was pushing the button to start
the seat selector program.
And then we all had a good laugh at
the jerk’s expense. We all agreed it was
cosmic justice for the rude way the player treated the dealer of his mistake
which wasn’t really a mistake (and, as I pointed out, could have been corrected
instantly). It was especially satisfying
to the dealer, who reminded us that the player had gone on and on about it even
after the dealer had tried to play the guy’s lousy two dollar blind himself.
This guy complains because the dealer didn't ask him if he wanted to be dealt in. Tony complains if the dealer DOES ask him that, on the grounds that the dealer must think he's an idiot, because only an idiot wouldn't wait for the button to pass.
ReplyDeleteHow is a dealer supposed to win? Sounds like this dealer handled it with far more class than I would have managed under those circumstances.
The dealer was total class, true enough.
DeleteI somehow missed Tony's complaint about being asked if he wanted to be dealt in. It is a perfectly logical question, what exactly is Tony's "logic"?
Certainly if you would be UTG or UTG +1 it makes perfect sense to wait (except for the promo circumstances that I discuss in this post). In fact, a lot of players reasonably wait almost a whole orbit to come it, using that time to watch and observe, to get a feel for the table and the players.
i get upset only when the dealer deals me IN without asking. i dont get upset if the dealer deals me OUT without asking (if im a new player that is). most dealers know me very well, and are well aware i dont want to be charged money if i dont have to. but if he deals me in early position as a new player without asking, i feel like ive just been scammed out of $3. the polite thing is to ask.
Deleteand its also important how u word the question when asking. if u are in a really good position late to act, they should ask if u would like to come in. if u are in an early to mid position, the proper thing to say isnt would u like dealt in but would u like to wait. But of course, saying it the wrong way isnt nearly as big an offense as dealing u in UTG without your permission.
if this guy really didnt want dealt in and wasnt trying to angleshoot (and i seriously doubt it cause this often happens to me) he had every right to be upset.
and its silly to think a promo would make any difference. maybe the value of the promo would be worth far less than $3 if u figure in about 50-100 players and how remote ur odds are of winning a drawing.
i find it silly how some post $3 needlessly, yet bitch and complain about the 10 cents in comps they might lose out on if the dealer waits 5 minutes to ask to log in their players card. Their priorities are seriously out of whack, and this ISNT a good thing to criticize the dealer over cause its not nearly as big an issue as dealing someone in without his permission. agree?
Tony, I'm not approving your other comment because I wish to keep this blog a politics-free zone.
DeleteSo Grump got it wrong about your opinion? Interesting.
Depending on the promo, I think the three bucks is pretty meaningless to make an issue out of. Because you're not throwing your money away. Maybe you actually get a hand you can play and win a pot with. True, you could get a hand to play and LOSE money, but if you're worried about getting a hand that could cost you money you shouldn't be playing poker in the first place.
If the dealer deals you a card you don't want because you want to wait, all you have to do is speak up immediately and he'll slide the card to the next person. I've done that numerous times myself. The moment you sit down at a poker table you had better be paying attention.
Tony, I definitely remember a post you did a year or two ago telling the story of you getting upset because the dealer ASKED if you wanted to be dealt in. You insisted that that implied he thought you were an idiot, because only an idiot would have wanted to be dealt in at that point, and he should have known not even to ask. It was at Bally's. You don't remember such an episode?
DeleteYou might have to post his question on his blog for Tony to respond.
Deletealthough that did upset me, getting dealt in when i wanted to wait (if it cost me $3 extra that is) wouldve upset me worse u see. the dealer should ask, but ask properly (in other words, ask in a way that assumes u probably are smart enough to wait--such as saying would u like to wait?)
DeleteUgh. I'm sure that this is the evil twin of PPP. Although at times, one wonders...
ReplyDeleteHow many of us actually have dopplegangers out there and we're just not aware of it? Has anyone told Luis Guzman yet about his?
Ha! I always thought the same thing!
DeleteHa ha. That's a good one. I vaguely recall someone making the Luis Guzman connection before, but I had forgotten it.
DeleteIn order for this guy to have been PPP's true evil twin, he'd have to have an occupation less reputable than attorney. What would that be? Used car salesman? Politician?
Poker Player or Writer for poker publication?
Deletewas P3 evil twin kissing a dude??
DeleteNo, he wasn't kissing anyone.
DeleteRob,
ReplyDeleteThere are exceptions, but, there aren't very many occupations that are less reputable than an attorney, examples would be, drug dealers, elected officials, bank robbers, appointed officials,, pawn shop owners, etc.
I would add hookers to the list, but that is a toss up.
I wouldn't count hookers at all, not honest ones at least. They provide a service for an agreed upon fee. Both sides walk away happy.
DeleteAnd after all, it is the world's oldest profession.