But I’ll get
to them all. eventually.
So let’s
start at the beginning, my first night in time.
I was very happy that Prudence was going to join me; in fact, it initially appeared that she would be joining
me most nights. Alas, she didn’t join me
for as many as either of us would have liked for reasons I don’t care to
elaborate on.
Anyway, on my
first night in town, Prudence and I met for dinner and then we drove over to
BSC together. Prudence had been taking a
break from poker so everyone at BSC was thrilled to see her.
We
immediately got into a game together, and after a brief period we were able to
sit next to each other for most of the night, so we were could exchange gossip
easily. Most of that gossip, sorry to say,
will stay between us.
Prudence got
off to a bad start pokerwise when she found herself looking at the dreaded pocket Kings under-the-gun plus
one. You would think that knowing me for
so long, and having read my blog, she would have known how to play them and just
immediately mucked her hand. But no,
dear Prudence somehow believed the bullshit that was the second best starting
hand in hold’em and led out with a strong bet of $30. I guess the reason she made the bet so big
was that the guy to her right had straddled on that hand.
The straddle
called and no one else did. Prudence
made a big bet on a rather innocuous looking flop after the straddler checked He called.
The board paired innocent looking 4’s on the turn, and while I don’t
remember the betting sequence, the two of them were all in after that. The river was a blank and Prudence’s Kings
were smoked by the straddler’s mighty 10-4.
Yeah, the guy
had called a $26 raise with 10-4.
Offsuit, I might add. When
Prudence questioned that strategy (as she reached into her purse for more
funds), he simply shrugged and said, “I had to defend my straddle.”
As you might
imagine, Prudence spent a good portion of the rest of the night grumbling about
this guy. But don’t forget about
him. He’ll be back.
At one point
I went to use the Men’s Room. As I was
finishing washing my hands, I heard some commotion and saw something a bit
odd. Right outside the doorway area
(there’s no actual door for these restrooms, but there’s a corner that protects
it from being out in the open), there was a disagreement taking place between a
guy and a girl. It appeared the guy was
trying to come in to use the Men’s Room, and the woman wouldn’t let him. Or, perhaps more accurately, wouldn’t let him
out of her sight. The guy was telling
the girl that she couldn’t come in any further—in fact, she had already come in
a bit too far—but the girl would have none of it!
So the guy
said, “You can’t come in here!” and she replied, “I’m not going anywhere. I’m not leaving. I’m staying right here.” And she leaned up against the corner, where
she was visible to any guy using the sinks, and she could at least see that
part of the restroom. She wasn’t looking
in, however. Once the guy got away from
her in order to do his business, she took out her cell phone and began talking
to someone. “Yeah, she’s in the Ladies
Room. I’m in the Men’s Room.” I didn’t hear the rest, But she was telling
someone that she was in the Men’s Room, which she kinda was.
The girl was
wearing one of those standard issue “going to a club” dresses that you see on
virtually all young or youngish females that time of night. It was gold lamé, extremely short and
extremely tight. Frankly, she really
didn’t have the figure for a dress that tight, if you ask me (but she
didn’t). She was a bit heavy for it, and
really, it wasn’t a particularly good look.
So this poor guy was not only stuck with a—dare I say it?—crazy
bitch
for a date that night, but one who was failing miserably in her attempt to look
sexy. I have no idea if the guy had done
something to deserve this sort of treatment, of course. But one thing was certain; the girl in the
too-tight dress was keeping her guy on a very short leash.
That was the
thought I had when I left the Men’s Room and when I told the story to Prudence,
she had virtually the same comment about the short leash. I should point out that the next night, I
made a point to check to see what the gal could see from where she was
standing. It appeared that, if she was
interested in that sort of thing, she could probably have seen a couple of guys
using the urinals in the mirrors over the sinks.
Of course,
this is far from the first time I’ve seen a woman in a Men’s Room in
Vegas. My best story about that appears here, but there was a period there where it seemed
like I’d encounter just that situation at least once a trip. I’m sure if I scoured my old hand written
notes I could come up with a couple of stories of that scenario for the
blog.
Back at the
table, Prudence was making a comeback with her favorite trick, pulling a Jack
out of her ass at the last possible instant (hmmm, that sounds a lot dirtier
than it really it is). I know there are
one or two posts on this blog about how she got it all in with pocket Jacks vs
pocket Aces, and managed to river the needed Jack to complete the suck
out. Last time I checked, though I
couldn’t locate those posts, dammit.
(Edited to Add: Fellow Blogger FlushDraww came through and actually located the two posts I was talking about and put them in his comments below. You can find them here and here. Thanks, FD!) Anyway, this time she got it all in with JJ against a guy who had Ace-King. A king on the flop put her stack in jeopardy,
but sure enough, she got the set she needed on the river.
This led
Prudence to tweet out, “I am considering a new tattoo where two jacks are
sailing in a canoe on a big blue river.”
I tweeted back, asking for the proposed location of this tat. She responded “On one of my cheeks. Can you guess which one?” I of course replied, “The left one?”
Yes, we were
sitting right next to each other and could have just had this conversation
between us, but it was so much more fun to share it with the twitterverse.
Prudence
began indulging in adult beverages at some point. The alcohol may have been kicking in when
someone asked if she was professional player.
She said, “No, I’m just f***ing one.”
Then she caught herself.
“Actually, no, we got married, so I’m not f***ing him anymore.”
Later in the
evening, a guy sat next to her and immediately starting chatting her up. And by chatting her up, I mean, trying to get
her to do to him what she claimed she was no longer doing to her husband. Prudence showed off her wedding ring and told
the guy she had very recently gotten married and was quite in love with her
husband. The guy persisted. He tried to get her phone number so he could
text her a flier for his business—a business she had no interest in. She then said, rather loudly so that everyone
at the table could hear it, “Listen to this guy. He’s trying to get into my pants. I just got married and he’s trying to get
into my pants!” That inhibited his
pathetic attempts at seduction only slightly.
This guy was
a bit of a character. Later he ordered a
sandwich. At BSC, they will deliver food
to you while you play from the nearby deli.
It is ordered and picked up by chip-runner or a dealer on brush.
He ordered
the sandwich and then was very upset when they didn’t give him any barbeque
sauce for it. He hadn’t asked for it,
but he either knew or assumed they had some.
He actually called the shift supervisor over and asked him to “radio the
deli” to send over some barbeque sauce.
Prudence and I had a good laugh over that. Somehow, he got his barbeque sauce (I’m
guessing they actually sent a dealer or a chip runner back over there to get
it). “Don’t forget the barbeque sauce”
became a running gag between Prudence and I the rest of the trip.
I suppose at
this point you must be wondering if I myself actually played any poker this
night. Yes, yes I did. And rather successfully, as it happens. The night started out slowly for me, as I was
completely card dead for well more than an hour. I managed to win one small pot and was otherwise
playing so few hands that I was actually slightly in the black when I finally
got a hand.
With a little
more than my $200 buy-in in front of me, I was dealt pocket Aces in early
position. Of course I raised. I only got
one caller, an aggro guy wearing a New York Mets cap. He and Prudence had been battling all night,
it seemed like he was in every hand she was in, and she was commenting about
that fact, as she is wont to do. The guy
had been raising quite a bit preflop, and never seemed to limp. If he got into a pot, he either called a
raise or entered with a raise.
The flop came
King high, two diamonds. The other two
cards were fairly low. I guess I bet out
about $15 and he came over the top with a bet of $30 or so. Hmm.
I’m fairly adverse to losing a lot of chips with just an overpair, even
the best overpair there is, but I had to consider the source. He was such an aggro player that I had to
believe there was a good chance I was comfortably ahead. He might do that with Ace-King, or any
King. Sure he could have hit a set, but I
felt should call and see another card.
I liked the
next card, which was an Ace, and not the Ace of diamonds. So with my set of Aces I led out with a bet
of $35. I’m kind of guessing at that, I
didn’t write it down and wasn’t sure the next morning when I did my notes. Seems like too small a bet. Anyway, he raised to something like $80 or
so, which was fine with me.
With the
stack I had left and the size of the pot, a shove was my only option and I was
more than happy to do it. I stopped
myself from insta-shoving there. I
decided to Hollywood it up just a bit. I
wanted him to call. So I waited and
acted like I was thinking it over. I
even looked at my cards to make it look like I wasn’t sure what I had.
And then I
softly said, “all in.” The guy took his
time. He asked the dealer for a
count. I seem to recall the amount being
$138 which seems about right. The guy
had me covered by just a small amount of chips.
He finally called.
The river was
a blank and I flipped over my Aces. Mets Cap Guy just mucked. He said, “You
dodged a lot of bullets.” As I started
stacking my chips, I said, “I liked the turn.”
I didn’t expect a response but he said, “I liked the turn too. Like I said, you dodged a lot of bullets.”
I didn’t
pursue it, but the dealer said, “So, you had like 12-14 outs huh?” The guy nodded.
Hmm…..well,
assuming he had Queen-Jack of diamonds, the Ace would have given him the gut
shot in addition to a flopped flush draw.
That would make 12 outs. I
couldn’t account for more than that. I
didn’t see an open-ender on the board at any time.
Whatever, he
had played his draw very aggressively and it didn’t work out. He might have gotten me to fold on the flop
with his raise….except I had him pegged as an aggressive player who wasn’t
necessarily betting the best hand.
Anyway, it
was a damn nice double up for me.
A little
later I won a little pot against one of the regulars. I’ve played with this guy many times before
and I know he is a professional grinder who hangs out a lot on Two Plus Two.
He’s usually friendly but can get a bit grumpy when he’s losing. In the big blind I had 5-3 spades and no one
raised, a number of players had limped, I got to see a free flop.
Two spades on
the flop, the 6 and the 2. So not only
did I have a flush draw, but I had the gut-shot straight draw and even the
gut-shot straight flush draw. When the
2+2 guy led out with an $8 or $10 bet, it was easy to call (I had checked at
first) with so many cards out there that would help me. I think one other guy called. The turn was a blank and I wasn’t sure how
much of a bet I’d call with only one more card to come. I checked, the other guy checked and then, to
my surprise, 2+2 guy checked behind us.
So I was lucky, I got to see a free card.
I missed my
straight flush but the 9 of spades gave me the baby flush. I’m always a little worried in that situation
that someone has a better flush, but I led out with a bet ($20 or $30?). The other guy insta-folded and 2+2 guy thought
about it for awhile. Then, in disgust,
he mucked and started muttering to himself.
Prudence heard him saying, “I shoulda bet the turn.”
I had a
couple of hands against Prudence’s 10-4 offsuit buddy. In early position I raised to $8 or $10 with Ace-Jack
offsuit. He was the only caller. Flop
was Queen-Jack-10, two of a suit that I didn’t have. I probably would have made a continuation bet
no matter what, but I actually had something—middle pair and a gutshot draw to
Broadway. I bet $15 and he raised to
$40. Hmm…..did he have a draw? Had he somehow already made a straight? King-nine was possible but I suspected this
guy would have re-raised my preflop raise with Ace King. I knew this guy was also aggro so I called.
The turn was
a King, and not of the flush suit. I had
the nuts at that point. I put out
$100. I was surprised when he
called. I thought the King would scare
him into folding, and if not, it would mean he had the same hand and we’d chop. In which case he might have re-raised just to
be sure. But he just called.
The river
blanked, no pair, no flush card. Nothing
could beat my hand. I shoved. Probably not the smartest play. He folded, but was there a bet I could have
made that he might have called? I doubt
it in this case. He said something about
missing his draw when he mucked. So he
likely wasn’t calling any bet there.
Still, I should have been more thoughtful and tried to make a bet he
would have called if he had something beyond a missed draw.
One more nice
hand against this guy (I guess I was getting Prudence’s revenge for her—not
that I offered any of the money I won from him, which was once hers,
back). Pocket Aces again. Again, he was one of two callers to my
preflop raise. King high flop, with
another paint card and a low card, rainbow.
First to act, I bet $30. He was
immediately to my left so raised to $100!
The other
player folded. I thought he might be
making a move or betting a draw. I just
didn’t feel like he was ahead of me.
But if he was on a draw, I didn’t want him to have good odds. So I shoved.
I had him well covered, he had about $200 or so left after his bet. He folded fairly quickly, saying “I guess
pocket 10’s weren’t good there?” I guess
not.
After these
hands I was up over $450 for the night.
That was great, but I knew I had to monitor myself to see if I was
afraid to play right because I was overly eager to “book the win” (see here).
At first I was ok, mostly because I wasn’t getting any cards to play in
almost any situation. And when I did get
some playable hands, I played them the way I normally would. This got my profit down to close to
$400.
Then I got
Ace-King in middle position with two limpers already. I didn’t hesitate to raise and made it
$12. Then things got interesting.
The guy on
the button re-raised to $36.
Hmmm…..Despite his ethnic background that might possibly make you think
otherwise (see if you can guess, hint here),
he was not at all an aggressive player.
He’d been there about an hour and hadn’t raised very often, limping into
most of the pots he’d played. And this
was definitely his first three-bet that I had seen.
It folded
back to me. What do I do there? I’m not in love with Ace-King. And from my experience, when you see someone
three-bet in a 1/2 game, and it’s the first time you’ve seen him three bet, you
can pretty much put him on one of two hands.
Pocket Aces or Pocket Kings.
Yeah, Queens, Jacks or even 10’s are possible. So is Ace-King, maybe. But my gut tells me it’s 80%-90% AA or
KK.
The only
possible hand I can put him on that I’m not behind is AK and I’m not making any
money if that’s what he has, barring a flukey flush. To me, there’s an 80%-90% chance if I hit my
hand, it hits him harder.
I never
considered a call. If I like the flop, I still don’t know where I am. What about a re-raise? Well, he had about $150 in front of him and I
had about $600. So if he had Queens or
less, or AK, I suppose I could bet enough to get him to fold. But he’s not likely good enough to fold Kings
(see here) no matter how much I bet. And he’s not folding Aces unless he not only
sees my hand but can see into the future and knows the flop is coming QJ10.
So, I thought
raising was –EV. Reluctantly I folded.
Prudence had
missed that hand and I didn’t get to discuss it with her until the ride back to
her place. But I couldn’t stop thinking
about, wondering if I made the right play.
And as important, I wondered if my folding there was indicative of my
getting too conservative, being too cautious in trying to book the win and not
giving myself a chance to win. If I had
left then, I would have started my very first session of the trip up over $400
and that was sounding pretty good.
I couldn’t
convince myself that I played that hand too tight—but I wasn’t 100% sure. Then came the hand that convinced I me should
have quit. In middle position, I had
Jack-10 spades. A bunch of limpers were
already in. It was a perfect position to
make a raise there, and I had done that with a similar hands a few times earlier,
stealing a few pots but having to give up on others. I should have raised, but no, I just limped. The button raised to $10 (too little with all
the limpers, I think). It was the same
guy who three bet me when I had AK.
Everyone who had limped called, so of course I did too, the pot was
really big preflop now.
The flop was
Jack high and 2 diamonds (one spade). I
felt myself almost checking there, but I figured I had to bet out to see if my
top pair was any good. Maybe the preflop
raiser had a big Ace and would fold. So
I bet out $25—which was too small for the pot, which was $50-$60. The preflop raiser counted out the call, then
counted out more chips and made it $75. It folded back to me and I wasted
little time in folding.
I wasn’t
concerned with the fold, I was sure that was correct. But I realized I had played that hand not to
lose, instead of to win. I should have
raised preflop. If the button raises me
again, so be it, I can easily let go of Jack-10 there. But it showed me I was being too cautious to
play right. Prudence was making a
recovery and seemed in no hurry to leave—and I was her ride—but I knew I was
done. I had a few more hands until the
blinds came around, and didn’t get a hand I would have played under any
circumstances. I racked up my chips and
told Prudence I was done, but that she could stay as long as she wanted. I’d be happy to hang around as long as she
wanted while she tried to make up her losses.
She played an orbit or two and was ready to go.
I cashed out
slightly under $400 ahead. Would have
been a bit over that if I had folded the Jack-10 hand, which I should have done
if I wasn’t prepared to play it aggressively.
Still a good night. I just stayed
one or two orbits too many. We discussed
the Ace-King hand which was still in my head—did I play it right? She thought maybe I call there and
re-evaluate on the flop. So on the way
back to drop her off, she called her ex-boyfriend (ex, because he is now her
husband instead), and asked his opinion.
He said he would have played it the same way I did, inasmuch as I didn’t
have position. If I had had position, he
would have called and then re-evaluated on the flop.
That made me
feel a lot better, and I was already feeling pretty good with the nearly $400
extra in my wallet. I would like to hear
from my readers on that Ace-King hand—do you think I did the right thing? Or,or course, your comments on any other hand I discussed are always welcome..
Facing a 3-bet with AK out of position against a $1/$2nl player that you haven't seen do anything too crazy sounds like a fold to me. Best case is he has TT, JJ or QQ and the flop has an A or K on it, and he shuts down. You make no money with this hand, just fold and wait for a better spot.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Todd. Appreciate the input.
DeleteI agree with Todd. Out of position, this is a quick fold for me. I don't see hardly anything that you are happy with him holding there. Nice lay down.
ReplyDelete-grouse
Thanks, grouse. I think if this had happened earlier in the session, I wouldn't have given it as much thought. I was just worried at the time if this was an indicator that I was playing too cautiously in order to book the win. I guess not.
DeleteRob, your analysis of the AK hand was spot on. Good fold!
ReplyDeleteThanks, Dave.
DeleteYou're behind his 3bet range and you're out of position. Good fold. Pat on the back for yourself 'cause you made money there. Other players 'see a flop and evaluate,' which is generally a money loser. You are fairly certain you're behind, don't get the deer in headlights look, and act on the information available to you. You made $24 more (or more) than the next guy who would call and fold a non- flush or A/K high flop, or who would stack off an A- or K- high flop and be way behind.
ReplyDeleteGG sir. You're improving by leaps and bounds.
Thanks, PM. Winning by not losing, huh? I like it.
DeleteYeah, thanks, I think I'm betting better, but, still have much to learn.
Rob,
ReplyDeleteI agree with everybody else's opinion with your AK hand.
I have a comment for you with regards to your AJ hand, where you turned the nuts. You bet $100 on the turn and your opponent called. I like a smaller donk bet on the river in hopes that your opponent will try to represent the nuts. I think if you would have bet $25 on the river there is a chance the player shoves or calls just to get info on your holdings.
Keep up the good work.
ohcowboy12go
Thanks, Cowboy! Appreciate a comment on another hand. Interesting point too. I knew I shouldn't have shoved there. I never thought about betting so little, tho. I see your point. He may bluff (unlikely, I think) but maybe he's interested enough in what I had to pay a few bucks to see it. I'll have to think about that for bit. Good thought.
DeleteDefinitely a good fold. If it had been one of the two agro guys you wrote about that would be different, but you even said that you had seen him raise little and never saw him 3 bet. Hell in that situation with those observations maybe even folding those dreaded pocket kings may have been, if not technically correct, a big money saver. With the observations you had I would estimate a good 80% chance he had AA in that situation.
ReplyDeleteThanks, FlushDraww. I think he might have done the same thing with Kings, so maybe not 80% he had AA there, but either way, I'm way behind and if I do flop an Ace, knowing how likely it is he has a set of Ace's, how much money can I make there if he's got Kings?
DeletePrudence and pocket jacks and hitting a jack on the river
ReplyDeletehttp://robvegaspoker.blogspot.com/2012/08/just-my-luck-someone-grabbed-my-boobs.html
http://robvegaspoker.blogspot.com/2012/05/three-little-hands.html
OMG. That is so awesome that you found these posts for me, FD. Thank you so much. I can't believe anyone would do that.
DeleteWhen I get a chance I'll edit the original post and put the links in.
Funny aside (at least to me), when I reread the posts to find the stories, in the first one you listed, I made a reference to a dealer I gave the name "Ann" to. I couldn't remember who that really was. Yes, I actually keep a spreadsheet so I can keep track of the fake names I use and who's who. I pulled up the spreadsheet and there was no listing for her. I forgot to record Ann's real name. I really had to strain my brain, but eventually I could recreate the memory in my mind of who said what "Ann" said. So I can update that. Thanks for that too!
No problem Rob, glad to help you out if I could. What are fellow bloggers for if we can't take a few minutes for one another here and there. :-) LOL glad it helped you give the no name dealer a name, lol. To us she will always be Little Annie, lol.
ReplyDeleteThanks again. I'm curious as to how you did it? I tried searching with the Google button and came up empty. You didn't re--read every Prudence post did you? Do you have a photographic memory?
DeleteI'm impressed, however you did it.
At the top of the blog there is the B for blogger next to a search box. The B is to the left of the search box. First I put in Prudence all in but that didn't work then I put in Prudence pocket jacks and the grabbed my boobs post showed up so I reread the post to make sure it was there.
ReplyDeleteYou had a link to another post about prudence and pocket jacks in the grab my boobs post so the second one was obviously easy to find. It was where you say something like another example of this is found here and you always use the word here when you do that. I clicked the here link reread that post to make sure what you were looking for was there and the rest, as they say, is history. :-)
Damn! I had no idea that search box up at the very top worked! Seriously. I manually added a google search box over to the right, and I see it doesn't work as well as the one on top. Always learning something!
DeleteThanks again!
you are more than welcome. The best thing about the search box with the B next to it is it only searches whatever blog you happen to have up at the time so when I put in prudence pocket jacks your blog was the only one searched.
ReplyDeleteWell, that's the way the other search box is supposed to work, but it's kinda flaky.
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