I'm sure that sometime before my
summer Vegas trip—or perhaps during it—I mentioned that I was not finished
discussing my April trip. So for this
post, I'm going to discuss a night from that April trip. There are a couple of reasons for posting
this story now. One, I will be
discussing the high hand promotion that was running at the Venetian at the
time, and they have a similar one running right now. The other reason is that
the theme of this post ties in with the theme of my last post (here) . So this is a double-timely post.
Back in April, Venetian was running a
high hand promo. Now that they are
taking a jackpot drop, they have a bad beat jackpot running at all times. In addition, several times a year they will
be offering some kind of additional promo.
So while I was there, during certain hours during the swing shift, on
Mondays through Thursdays, they were giving away $250 every twenty minutes for
the highest hand of that period.
Naturally, since I was there during
this promo, I wanted to play in the room and try to get some of that promo
money. But I was also curious to see how
the Venetian was actually managing the promo.
Having seen high hand of the hour promos before, I actually thought they
were crazy to use such a narrow time-frame—20 minutes—for the high hands. I've seen rooms have trouble keeping track of
this when it was for a full hour. Not
that I ever saw a room make a mistake, but there might be delays in the games waiting
for a floor person to verify the hand and then there's all that paperwork to
fill out. And then you had to make sure
that the floor person was available to count down the clock and cut off the
promo at the proper time.
I didn't see any way the Venetian
could run a high hand of the past 20 minutes promo smoothly. Boy, was I wrong.
On a Monday night, I showed up to the
very busy Venetian and was just blown away by how efficient they were. Several TV's around the room were dedicated
to a "high hand clock." It
looked to me that they used some kind of tournament clock that they must have
used before they went to Bravo. On it,
the clocked showed exactly how much time was left in the period. Also, it showed the exact high hand that you
had to beat to win the money.
They had extra floor people
circulating around the room so that the second any dealer called out "high
hand", a floor person was there
within a few seconds to verify it. If it
was the new high hand, the floor would electronically communicate the high
hand, along with the table and seat number, to a dedicated podium person who
would update the clock and announce the new high hand to the entire room.
When it came time to award the money,
little time was wasted. The floor would
go to the winner, have him or her sign the paperwork, and the dealer would pay
the winner off right out of the rack.
I was actually a little bit in awe of
how seamless the whole thing was.
One funny story about the high hand
promo. The entire time I was there, no one
at the table I was at came close to winning a high hand. But one time, with
about 5 minutes left in the period, a guy at our table turned quad Aces. However, they had already announced that the
current high hand was quad Aces with a Queen kicker. Well, on the board with the two Aces to match
the two Aces in his hand was a 3 and a 5.
The only card that would put him in the lead for the $250 was a King. When the river card was another 5, he slammed
down his hole cards in disgust, pretty pissed off that he had actually gotten quad Aces and it wasn't good enough for the
promo money. Honestly, have you ever
seen anyone upset at having four Aces?
Here's the payoff. With about 30 seconds to go in that period,
they announced that a new high hand had been made—a 5-high straight flush. I imagine the guy who had made quad Aces with
a Queen was none-too-pleased!
Now, as I publish this in early
August, the V has a different version of the high hand promo running. It's Monday thru Friday 1pm to 6pm and again
8pm to 1am. And the payout is $500 every
half hour. It's actually a pretty sweet
promo and if I was in Vegas right now, a lot of my cash game play would be
there.
Anyway, back to April. The very first hand I limped in with pocket
4's. No raise and it was seven to see a
flop. I caught my set, it checked to me,
I bet $10 and didn't get a single call.
Perhaps I should have checked and tried to get quads for the high hand
promo?
Soon thereafter I got pocket 5's in
the small blind. I completed and five of
us saw a flop of King-Queen-5, rainbow.
I led out for $7 and two players called. The turn was a blank, other
than it being the second spade, and I bet $25 and only one player called. The river was the 10 of spades, so three
spades plus the straight draw. I bet $40.
The other guy put out a big stack...a raise. Initially I thought it was like a min raise
but then I noticed one of the chips was black—a $100 chip. I asked for a count and it was actually
$200. I was still new to the table but
had never seen this guy—an older gentleman—make a bet anywhere near this big
before. The $200 was more than I had,
but with all those draws completed and the fact that he just didn't strike me
as a guy who would make that kind of bet on that board without at least a straight—I
let it go.
From there, I went totally,
ridiculously card dead.
I sat there for a couple of hours
barely playing a hand. My stack dropped to about $76 and so I added on
$100. Now, the one thing I had noticed
was that they were not doing fills very often, and also they weren't calling
chip runners for re-buys like they usually do.
Most of the re-buys were coming out of the dealer's rack. Now the dealers had a lot of chips in there but
they weren't getting red chips when they were getting fills—it was mostly $1
chips, with some green and even some black ($100). So when I added on the dealer had to give me
four green chips.
I could have gotten change from
another player I suppose, but I didn't bother, figuring that one of these days
I'd get some by winning a pot.
That didn't work out so well, I just
couldn't win a pot to save my life. And
I wasn't getting any cards to bet with.
So somehow I managed to lose all the chips I had except for the four
green chips.
I used my last two $1 chips to post
the big blind and so when I was the small blind, I had to put one of my green
chips to post it. Well, at least I'd get
some change I could use, I thought.
Except that I looked down at two
Aces. And someone in early position had
raised to $6, and gotten three callers before it got to me! I'm not used to seeing that many callers to
an opening raise when I have a hand I want to three-bet with. Now, my
"formula" for a three-bet is 3X the raise, plus add the amount of any
limps or calls. The $6 had opened the
pot so it would have been $36. I was
actually thinking of making it $40. Of
course, I only had green chips in front of me.
No reason why I couldn't add a second green chip and verbalize
"40." But I was thinking, with
my stack I'm committed anyway, might as well bet exactly half my stack and just
put the other half in on the flop if I get called. In fact, with so many players in already, I
did consider just shoving right then and there, I don't think that would have
been a bad play. I'd most likely pick up $26 and my first pot in like two
hours.
But I went with the $50 bet. If someone was gonna call $40 (or even $35)
they're probably gonna call $50 right?
It folded to the first guy who had
called the original $6 raise. He was brand new to the table and had only been
dealt a hand or two before this one and hadn't played one yet. And he started grumbling, "$50? That bet makes no sense. It makes no sense." He wasn't completely wrong, it was a bit of
an overbet. But would he have kvetched
about a $40 bet too? He grumbled some
more and continued to talk about how my bet made no sense and then finally he
said, "OK, let's see what he's got, let's see if he'll call. All-in." And he added, "I got a pair." He had me covered, but it didn't matter,
obviously I'm calling. Everyone else
folded and of course I called.
We didn't show and the board was
mostly low cards, 3-4-6-7 and a paint card. There were three clubs and I did
have the Ace of clubs, but never got the fourth club. And then when the board
was out, he said, "I have a straight." And sure enough, he turned over pocket 5's.
I didn't show, I just mucked. And got up to leave. Meanwhile, the guy with the straight was
celebrating. "I knew his bet didn't
make sense!" It was obvious to me
by the way he was acting that he was thinking he'd made a brilliant play
against my terrible bet and was rewarded for it.
I swear that was the impression he
gave off. Maybe I'm projecting. Perhaps he thought I had Ace-King and he was
ahead the whole way. Whatever. And it was pretty obvious to me that I had
actually somehow induced him to shove against my "bet that made no sense"
by betting so much.
Well it that's true, then my play was
pretty damn good. Because in reality, I
got exactly what I wanted. I got it all
in as an 80/20 favorite. I'll take that
every time.
Right?
I mean everything was fine. It
was perfect, in fact....until he sucked out on me.
And of course, to add insult to
injury, I got to hear the guy criticizing my bad play. But in this case, that bad play—if it was
that—got me everything I wanted until the river card.
Poker, right?
Hi Rob I am at final table one from money. I get dealt off-suit 7 3 from big blind. Small blind calls and I check for the flop. Flop J 7 3 rainbow. Small blind bets 3K and I go all in for 12 K. He snap calls J 4 off-suit. River 4. I am 81% favorite than I have to hear him tell me how bad I play. I can take the bad beats no problem. Its the instructions after I get sucked out on that are killing me. I love tournament poker - not.
ReplyDeleteThe straight in the photo is very nice by the way. As for poker the gods don't always smile down on us. They reward bad play, but that will encourage the villan to make the same mistake again and you should profit from it then.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Dale. Yeah, if my bet that made no sense induced him to shove against me as a 20/80 dog, I need to make that play against a donkey like him every time.
DeleteOk... after careful contemplation... Here is a template for a retort in the above situations:
ReplyDeleteIf you think hitting a (x) outter on the river makes you a great poker player then you are an even bigger donkey than I thought.
(The value of "x" typically being a number less than 6 but in some cases as high as 8)
Thanks, Lester. That would be a good retort but I would never think to make it and if I did think to make it, I wouldn't. Don't tap the glass, as they say.
DeleteOh yeah that remark is tapping the glass per se. In a location that you seldom frequent with players that you will likely never, ever see again then by all means tap that glass with a hammer!
DeleteAlso....I actually got up and left after that hand so I never played another hand with that joker again, so it would have been ok. But I'm just conditioned not to do that, hard to untrain myself. Besides, I think a jerk like that would find it amusing while he was stacking his chips, so why bother?
DeleteFoxwoods runs a Monday madness where the high hand every 15 minutes gets paid. $1000 on the top and bottom of the hour. $500 on quarter past and quarter to. That's $36000 between 10am and 10pm. It's running this Monday 8/14 . I'll be there. In June the guy on my left flopped K high SF for $1000.
ReplyDeleteWow, that's some promo. Good luck, Bob! Just hit a Royal so you won't have to worry about it holding up!
DeleteDang - you have to toughen your hide a might. Players who think and do like that guy did are too clueless to understand a clever retort anyway. The luck factor in this game is what hurts our souls ...
ReplyDeleteYeah, if it wasn't for luck, I'd win every hand. Oh wait, that's not me, it's Phil Hellmuth.
DeleteYou don't call 2s "twos"; they are "deuces". So don't say "5-high straight flush"; it's a steel wheel.
ReplyDeleteI was just quoting what they announced over the loudspeaker. I think they did it that way for clarity.
DeleteWould that black chip in the middle of a stack be considered an angle shoot? I mean, you thought it was a min raise, and I'm thinking plenty of others might and call quickly. And then be out an additional $100. I'm thinking too that not all people might think to ask for a count.
ReplyDeleteI did consider that, Chuck. I also thought he might have had the $100 chip in there by mistake! There is some red in the black chips and it wouldn't be an impossible mistake to make.
DeleteThanks for posting this. I will definitely be hitting Foxwoods my brother is staking me. Hit a 6 high straight flush last time I was there.
ReplyDeleteCool. Good luck!
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