And since
this post will be so K-K oriented, it gives me a chance to tell a more recent
story from an otherwise forgettable session from the Bike here in L.A. I had only just gotten to the table and
played a few hands. There was some seat
changing going on, players coming from a broken table, etc, and as the cards
were being dealt the guy who was supposed to be the big blind complained that
he wasn’t, or somebody said he shouldn’t have to post to come in (at this room,
at this level of game, you have to post to come in, so it’s just like the Bellagio).
As someone was complaining, the
cards had been dealt and the action had started. One guy threw his cards back because he was
told to post and he didn’t’ want to (or think he should have), and the dealer
said hold up, hold up. He just wanted to
recreate things to determine if the guy had to post or not, I think. Meanwhile, the guy UTG to my right, raised to
$15, first in. I looked at my hand and
saw, of course, KK. I waited for the
dealer to figure out if the hand was a misdeal or not.
But before he
figured it out, almost everyone but the guy who raised and me had tossed in
their cards. The dealer was upset, “No,
I didn’t say throw them in, I said wait.”
But now it was too late, and so he called all the rest of the cards
back, which basically were mine and the guy in front of me who had raised. He just slid them in face down but I showed
everyone my cowboys. A few people on the
other side of the table expressed their sympathy. I asked the guy who raised if he had
Aces. He didn’t say anything at first,
then finally said, “Let’s just say I liked my chances.”
I don’t think
for a minute he Aces, he would have showed them, I believe. He was a young, fairly aggressive, solid
player. He raised big a lot and we didn’t
often see his hand, but a few times we did he didn’t have a premium hand. I’m sure I was way ahead of him. I’m also sure he would have called my
three-bet and sucked out on me. So that
has to go down in the books as a good result with pocket Kings for me.
Back to Vegas. The rest of this post takes place on the very
first night of March Madness. One of my
first hands, on the button, I had Ace-Jack suited. One limper and I made it $10. The blinds folded but the limper, an older gentleman,
called. And when he called, he said, “I’ll
check it down.”
Huh? Where did I agree to that? Well there was an Ace on the flop and he
checked and I bet and he folded face up.
What did he have? The dreaded
pocket Kings! Really. I didn’t say
anything but I think I must have given off a physical tell giving away my
surprise that he played his hand so badly.
And so he said, “I knew you had an Ace.”
Yes, sir, I’m
sure you did. Did you also know an Ace
was gonna come on the flop, because you were way ahead of me before then. He was kinda short stacked too, having less
than $50 in front of him. I dunno how he
doesn’t raise preflop there, or even better, after he limped and I raised, why
not just shove back? I wouldn’t have
called a shove with my Ace-Jack that would have been a much better play than
what he did. Even I don’t play K-K that
badly.
A few hands
later he lost another hand with K-K. I
don’t recall the details but I do know for a fact that he didn’t raise preflop
with them again!
Much later,
the KK guy rebought and changed seats.
He limped into a hand and a guy in middle position made a standard
raise. The guy to my right
re-raised. Back to the KK guy and he
shoved for over $100. The ol’ limp/raise
maneuver. The original raiser thought
for awhile and said, “I can’t believe I’m gonna fold this hand,” but he
did. The other guy called for less.
Turns out the
KK guy had Aces this time, and the guy to my right had the KK. The original raiser said he had pocket
Queens. The guy with the Kings busted
out, not getting any help from the board.
The guy with the Queens said when he sees that move, an older guy
limp/raise, it is always, 100% of the time, pocket Aces. He said he would have folded pocket Kings
there too.
The funny
thing was, the hands I described where the guy didn’t raise with KK happened
before he had gotten to the table. He
didn’t see that old guy limp twice with Kings.
That would have made it even more obvious the guy would only raise
(limp/raise) with Aces.
I still think
it was very risky move, there hadn’t been the kind of action at this table
where you could be fairly certain a raise was coming preflop. There had been plenty of limped pots. But he got lucky this time. But you know, if he had raised, I think the
guy who raised first would have three-bet, the KK guy would have shoved, and he
would have won more money when he shoved.
I flopped a
set of Jacks and won a small pot. Then it
was my turn get pocket Kings. I raised,
two callers. Lo and behold, a King hit
the flop, along with two diamonds. I had
to bet and got no callers. I dunno why I
wasn’t celebrating there; for me, to win any hand with KK is a miracle. But I was disappointed I didn’t win a bigger
pot with a set of Kings.
My best hand
of the night came against a New York cop who was in town for golfing trip with
his buddy. He was a really nice guy
too. I called his normal raise with
pocket 3’s. King high flop, but the low
card was a three. I bet out three times,
he called three times. My river bet was
$100, which was actually a little more than he had left, and he called. He saw my set and just mucked. It was a nice pot, almost a double up for
me. He was nice about it, and said, “Every
time I flop a monster I run into a bigger monster.” So I asked him what he had and he said, “a
pair of Kings.” Huh? That’s a monster? Assuming he had Ace-King, he flopped top
pair/top kicker and calls that a monster?
He didn’t
rebuy. The dealer said to me, “Didn’t
that guy say he was a New York cop?” I
confirmed that he did. “Better be careful
walking to your car.” Nah, he was fine,
but I guess he figures this is a bad beat story for him.
I raised with
Ace-Jack suited and flopped a flush draw.
I made a continuation-bet and was called. I made the flush on the turn and this time my
opponent, who was the guy who folded Queens earlier, led out. Lucky me.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to just smooth call there, or am I wrong? I’m not inclined to slow play. I bet 2.5x his bet and he mucked. A smaller flush? I don’t know.
The guy to my
right had been replaced by a rather good looking woman, who played
short-stacked the entire time she was there.
She was the only woman at the table the entire time I was there. It was a welcome to sight to see her join our
group of ugly mugs. Then the guy who
folded Queens busted her out. She went
all in on a board with two Queens and he called. Turned out neither one of them had a
Queen. She had pocket Jacks and he had
the dreaded pocket Kings. She didn’t
rebuy.
As soon as
she left the table, the male dealer, said to the guy who busted her, “Thanks a
lot, Mike.” He seemed to a regular even
though I didn’t recognize him. Everyone
knew what he meant and we all laughed. “What
was I supposed to do, lay it down there?”
All the guys at the table, and the dealer, pretty much in unison said, “Yes!”
In early
position I bet $10 with QQ. I was not
happy about getting four callers. I was
not happy about an Ace high flop (no Queen).
I made a continuation bet of $25, first to act. If I had gotten raised, I would have likely
folded. If I had gotten called, I’d
probably would check/fold the turn.
Surely someone had an Ace, right?One by one, the players folded. The last guy took his sweet time. I was sure he was going to at least call, maybe he was thinking about raising. But no, eventually he folded. I considered that a minor miracle.
Not long
after, I got those same Queens again and this time only one caller. The flop was 7-6-5 rainbow. This time my bet was called. The turn card only made it worse, a 4. So I checked, the player bet, and I
reluctantly folded. What else was I
supposed to do there? From the other
side of the table, Willie, a regular I’ve
mentioned quite a few times before, said to me, “Didn’t like the turn card,
huh?” No Willie, I didn’t. Didn’t like the flop much either.
I got pocket
Kings two other times this nite. One
time, no one called my preflop raise.
Yes! The other time, it wasn’t so
good. I raised and only the old guy who
had misplayed the KK early—and had limp/shoved with Aces—called. There wasn’t just one Ace on the board, there
were two. Before I could even figure out
what to do, he led out. It didn’t take
me long to muck. There is no way that
guy did not have an Ace.
Not longer
after, I decided to call it a night. I
had made a nice a little profit for the first night of March Madness and was
glad that, seeing pocket Kings as many times as I did, I never once got stacked
with them. A good night.
I raised with Ace-Jack suited and flopped a flush draw. I made a continuation-bet and was called. I made the flush on the turn and this time my opponent, who was the guy who folded Queens earlier, led out. Lucky me. I don’t think it’s a good idea to just smooth call there, or am I wrong? I’m not inclined to slow play. I bet 2.5x his bet and he mucked. A smaller flush? I don’t know.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it not a good idea to smooth call here? You have the nut flush on a non paired board with someone betting into you?..it doesn't get much better than that.
3 scenarios:
He has two pair- 4 outs with one pull of the deck to go 11 to 1 against
He has a set 10 outs with one pull of the deck to go 4.4 to 1 against
He has a smaller flush - drawing dead and probably leading the river.
Thanks, bill. One of the reasons I post some of these hands is to get feedback and I appreciate yours. I guess I should be getting better at maximizing value for my big hands, and that is a good example. I guess I am just too wary of slow paying anything less than an absolute monster. Been burned too many times, even if it was the right play. I do need to work on that. Thanks!
DeleteI again offer the wise words to just fold KK if it causes you so much trouble. I wish you had folded them preflop when we played together at Luxor. : o )
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'll bet. I'm trying to learn to overcome my fears and "face the terror."
DeleteEvery poker book I've ever read tells me that KK is a "premium hand." So you have to play it right?
Besides at this point, everytime I get the dreaded hand, I figure, no matter what happens, it's a future blog post.
Not being a poker player (merely someone who enjoys Rob's writing) I had to look up "check out down." It seems to the uninitiated me that this is one of those things the dealer should ask everyone if they concur with before taking it as writ. No?
ReplyDeleteIt's "check IT down" Norm. It's an informal agreement between the players and no dealer would ever assume that just because one player suggested it, it was accepted by the other players. Unless the dealer heard the other player agree to it, he/she would proceed as normal. Even if both players said they wanted to check it down, the dealer would probably double check on each card to see if they still didn't want to bet.
DeleteIn this case, the dealer never assumed that I had agreed to it, so it was not an issue.
I guess what you're asking is if the dealer in this story assumed I had agreed and/or needed to ask me if I agreed to that. No, the dealer wouldn't and shouldn't ask me about it, that might seem like he was suggesting it. The dealer properly waited to see if I agreed and when I said nothing, knew my silence meant that I didn't agree.